2026 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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avantman
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venkyhere wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:01
Average race pace (after removing non representative laps) :
ANT - unrepresentative since he drove many laps with damaged car
LEC - 93.779
RUS - 93.997
HAM - 94.039
VER - 94.064

VER had really good race pace, considering the sub-optimal, unbalanced car without setup/PU change from Quali. He was on for P3. Pity it was the same rear wing issue as Austria.

Novice Q :
- How is the SLM mode deactivated ?
Brake application or manual button press ?
Lmao. The amount of cope. Just look up actual lap time data, compare Max and Kimi pace on stint 1.

Valeo
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Wouter wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:14
Valeo wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 15:25
How many laps till we have Max on the radio hearing the same issues :| :evil:
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Everything Max said during the race and after (video with quotes):

https://imgur.com/1e71aAd
Was funny when GP said "Yeah your deployment is **** but you make up the time in the corners"

:lol:

That's not how it should work :?

PierreW
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avantman wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 18:54
PierreW wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 18:17
Terrible result. The race in itself was disappointing with a subpar pace but could have turned into a podium by a well time VSC pitstop, but then it happenned.

All the optimism after RB ring is immediately gone and now seeing how Max hate this car, it's extremely doubtful something can be salvaged this season. This update was the last joker to try having a Mclaren moment and turn the season. But it's still slow and now create crashes.

Very sad.
Even Toto saw what happened at the Red Bull Ring for what it was. In short: it was all Max. He’d been winning there long before 2021 in a vastly inferior car. His teammates, meanwhile, couldn’t even get on the podium.

Looking at Norris pace during Sprint and also the pace he was maintaining in super old medium on the first stint during the race — I think he underdrove that car massively there, I’d say Mclaren was the faster car this weekend.
I do not understand your answer? What was Max fault? How McLaren was supposed to be the fastest car when they were quite slow during the race?

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Totally unacceptable from a top team to have this kind of issue 2 times in a row. A nice podium place wasted. Of course they sacked their chief designer Craig Skinner, and Monaghan also wants to leave. But they told us that Horner was all the problem. They should have kept Horner.

PierreW
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Valeo wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:09
The pace seems improved under race conditions as I would rate Silverstone as one of the weakest tracks for this car.
Spa will be again a challenge.
It did not look improved today or during the week end. The sprint race went badly, and the main race, on the hard tyres, the pace was horrendous, and only the battle of Russell and Hamilton prevented them from an easy overtake on Max.

The VSC was a lucky timing but it proved useless as the car crashed itself. Not only the pace was not better today but also the car has proved to be dangerous to drive and unreliable.

Max is running into a lot of mechanical issues with this new version of the car.

Do we know better why his request of a new engine was not accepted?

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Jurgen von Diaz
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What is this rear wing issue? It seemed to be closed? Has Isack and Max different wings?




Valeo
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PierreW wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:32
Valeo wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:09
The pace seems improved under race conditions as I would rate Silverstone as one of the weakest tracks for this car.
Spa will be again a challenge.
It did not look improved today or during the week end. The sprint race went badly, and the main race, on the hard tyres, the pace was horrendous, and only the battle of Russell and Hamilton prevented them from an easy overtake on Max.

The VSC was a lucky timing but it proved useless as the car crashed itself. Not only the pace was not better today but also the car has proved to be dangerous to drive and unreliable.

Max is running into a lot of mechanical issues with this new version of the car.

Do we know better why his request of a new engine was not accepted?
I mean in comparison to the older packages of course.
Pretty sure they would have got
slaughtered around this track with everything they had pre Miami and we would be talking about a deficit of one second or more.

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avantman wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:19
venkyhere wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:01
Average race pace (after removing non representative laps) :
ANT - unrepresentative since he drove many laps with damaged car
LEC - 93.779
RUS - 93.997
HAM - 94.039
VER - 94.064

VER had really good race pace, considering the sub-optimal, unbalanced car without setup/PU change from Quali. He was on for P3. Pity it was the same rear wing issue as Austria.

Novice Q :
- How is the SLM mode deactivated ?
Brake application or manual button press ?
Lmao. The amount of cope. Just look up actual lap time data, compare Max and Kimi pace on stint 1.
This is not cope. It's just data from formula-timer.com , which includes all stints. Kimi was way faster, there is no need to compare, as I mentioned in my post above, where I put Kimi as the fastest.

The problem is 'prejudice'/'confirmation bias' that leads to "lmao". Keep laughing.

Valeo
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Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:36
What is this rear wing issue? It seemed to be closed? Has Isack and Max different wings?
The rear wing closes but not at the same amount as before which turns into a larger slot gap resulting in a loss of rear downforce.

avantman
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venkyhere wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:45
avantman wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:19
venkyhere wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:01
Average race pace (after removing non representative laps) :
ANT - unrepresentative since he drove many laps with damaged car
LEC - 93.779
RUS - 93.997
HAM - 94.039
VER - 94.064

VER had really good race pace, considering the sub-optimal, unbalanced car without setup/PU change from Quali. He was on for P3. Pity it was the same rear wing issue as Austria.

Novice Q :
- How is the SLM mode deactivated ?
Brake application or manual button press ?
Lmao. The amount of cope. Just look up actual lap time data, compare Max and Kimi pace on stint 1.
This is not cope. It's just data from formula-timer.com , which includes all stints. Kimi was way faster, there is no need to compare, as I mentioned in my post above, where I put Kimi as the fastest.

The problem is 'prejudice'/'confirmation bias' that leads to "lmao". Keep laughing.
“Ver had a really good pace…” is a cope.. it’s not data.
This is the data:
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venkyhere
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avantman wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:54
venkyhere wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:45
avantman wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:19


Lmao. The amount of cope. Just look up actual lap time data, compare Max and Kimi pace on stint 1.
This is not cope. It's just data from formula-timer.com , which includes all stints. Kimi was way faster, there is no need to compare, as I mentioned in my post above, where I put Kimi as the fastest.

The problem is 'prejudice'/'confirmation bias' that leads to "lmao". Keep laughing.
“Ver had a really good pace…” is a cope.. it’s not data.
This is the data:
https://ibb.co/bgz10K1T
perhaps your confirmation bias didn't allow you to read this :
"considering the sub-optimal, unbalanced car without setup/PU change from Quali"

Anyway, posting raw data is meaningless, find out the average of Norris and Verstappen, and get back. I am sure you will find Norris slower. Kimi shouldn't even be considered, he was leagues ahead with race pace, which I mentioned in the original post itself.

But if you insist on "I want the last laugh" and want to play a ping-pong game, I'm out.
Opinions are like a*******s, everyone has one.

PierreW
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Verstappen calls out Red Bull over 'super dangerous' wing issues

"Again, while turning into the corner, the rear wing is not fully attaching. And you lose a lot of downforce for that. Just spin off the track."

Of the radio message, he said: "Well, at that point it's super dangerous, because you can really hurt yourself, two times! I was lucky in Austria, I was lucky here, but that's why you get really fed up with it."

Team principal Laurent Mekies said Verstappen was "right to be unhappy" and did not rule out Red Bull reverting to its previous, start-of-season rear wing concept.

Asked by The Race's Jon Noble whether Red Bull was committed to its 'macarena'-style wing, Mekies said: "The answer, Jon, is that we will do whatever is necessary to be on the safe side."


"Even if we would have finished on the podium, you take it, but it's not deserved at all," he said.

"On the hard tyres we were really slow. I don't know how I kept George [Russell] and Lewis [Hamilton] behind for so long. The whole weekend I had a terrible balance, no top speed compared to the other car [Isack Hadjar's] as well in the garage.




"And then the race was exactly the same, which I already predicted."

Verstappen said Red Bull went against his wish to start from the pitlane as "they were maybe confident to fix it - which I was not".

"I'm trying my best with everything. That's the only thing I can do.

"It would take a very zen person to be optimistic at the moment, with what happened again this weekend. I'm sorry, but it's just like that. I need a few days to reset and try again.

"At the moment too many things go wrong. It's as simple as that. Not even speaking about pace."



https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/vers ... ng-issues/

Gillian
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venkyhere wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:57
avantman wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:54
venkyhere wrote:
05 Jul 2026, 19:45


This is not cope. It's just data from formula-timer.com , which includes all stints. Kimi was way faster, there is no need to compare, as I mentioned in my post above, where I put Kimi as the fastest.

The problem is 'prejudice'/'confirmation bias' that leads to "lmao". Keep laughing.
“Ver had a really good pace…” is a cope.. it’s not data.
This is the data:
https://ibb.co/bgz10K1T
perhaps your confirmation bias didn't allow you to read this :
"considering the sub-optimal, unbalanced car without setup/PU change from Quali"

Anyway, posting raw data is meaningless, find out the average of Norris and Verstappen, and get back. I am sure you will find Norris slower. Kimi shouldn't even be considered, he was leagues ahead with race pace, which I mentioned in the original post itself.

But if you insist on "I want the last laugh" and want to play a ping-pong game, I'm out.
Opinions are like a*******s, everyone has one.
I agree with you, pace was not bad at all considering all the issues! Just sad it's worth literally nothing if your car can't make it to the end of the race. :wtf: