2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[avada]

You forget they only decided in late 2013 that they were going back into F1 and we're begged to go in for 2015 by McLaren, when Honda wanted to wait another year. McLaren, who's Merc contract had expired in 2014, needed a PU.

More like early 2013 this article is from may 16, referring to a recent announcement. But of course this is just the announcement, the agreement happened some time before this.

But even if they only had 2014 to develop, with the unlimited development the result would still have been well below acceptable.

[TyreSlip]

You forget they only decided in late 2013 that they were going back into F1 and we're begged to go in for 2015 by McLaren, when Honda wanted to wait another year. McLaren, who's Merc contract had expired in 2014, needed a PU.

More like early 2013 this article is from may 16, referring to a recent announcement. But of course this is just the announcement, the agreement happened some time before this.

But even if they only had 2014 to develop, with the unlimited development the result would still have been well below acceptable.

IIRC, Honda's philosophy then (and maybe still today) was to promote their most talented young engineers to its flagship programs. This resulted in a lot of inexperience for the F1 project, and it was also initially a smaller group of people compared to the number of employees Mercedes and Ferrari had working on their engines. Honda management at the time admitted that they underestimated the challenge of the project.

Regardless, Honda was still at a huge time disadvantage compared to Mercedes because they started their hybrid program as early as 2010. It would not matter if Honda started development in 2013 or 2014 as they could only obtain a limited amount of data with that time frame.

[F1RAM]

This sounds very optimistic.. that's without considering the engine upgrade... so in best case 3sec of improvement is achievable!!! Delulu me

https://x.com/i/status/2077303303134740763

[FNTC]

I have good hopes for Newey's upgrades. The only concerning issue is that their upgrades and correlation tools in the last few years have been abysmal, so there is always the chance that the estimated 70 points of DF, 2.5sec faster lap times, etc. are wrongly calculated. Will be interesting to see in Hungary.

[Rikrikrik]

This sounds very optimistic.. that's without considering the engine upgrade... so in best case 3sec of improvement is achievable!!! Delulu me

https://x.com/i/status/2077303303134740763

How this guys know that things? he leave AM 2 or 3 years ago, how he knows about something especific informations like that?

[TyreSlip]

This sounds very optimistic.. that's without considering the engine upgrade... so in best case 3sec of improvement is achievable!!! Delulu me

https://x.com/i/status/2077303303134740763

How this guys know that things? he leave AM 2 or 3 years ago, how he knows about something especific informations like that?

Otmar left Aston Martin about 5 years ago, but the F1 inner circle is small. Just a few good relationships is all it would take for inside information to spread.

[NAPI10]

This sounds very optimistic.. that's without considering the engine upgrade... so in best case 3sec of improvement is achievable!!! Delulu me

https://x.com/i/status/2077303303134740763

How this guys know that things? he leave AM 2 or 3 years ago, how he knows about something especific informations like that?

Otmar left Aston Martin about 5 years ago, but the F1 inner circle is small. Just a few good relationships is all it would take for inside information to spread.

Otmar wont babble something on a public forum ; without a reliable insider information.
Still , I will content the excitement till Hungary GP.

[diffuser]

How this guys know that things? he leave AM 2 or 3 years ago, how he knows about something especific informations like that?

Otmar left Aston Martin about 5 years ago, but the F1 inner circle is small. Just a few good relationships is all it would take for inside information to spread.

Otmar wont babble something on a public forum ; without a reliable insider information.
Still , I will content the excitement till Hungary GP.

Hungry isn't a power track....makes sense to introduce the Package there minus the new PU.

[FNTC]

Even though it would be nice with a full B spec car at once, it also makes sense to introduce the B-spec chassis/aero package with the weak engine, to see what it does on its own, and then add the engine the next race.

[zoroastar]

This sounds very optimistic.. that's without considering the engine upgrade... so in best case 3sec of improvement is achievable!!! Delulu me

https://x.com/i/status/2077303303134740763

How this guys know that things? he leave AM 2 or 3 years ago, how he knows about something especific informations like that?

he just knows what hes heard from people around the team, and by what their tools are saying. it all relies on how well their tools are at this point. lets hope that theyve come a long way over the last months in their correlation. everybody in the team has to be kinda tense about right now.

[GhostF1]

You forget they only decided in late 2013 that they were going back into F1 and we're begged to go in for 2015 by McLaren, when Honda wanted to wait another year. McLaren, who's Merc contract had expired in 2014, needed a PU.

More like early 2013 this article is from may 16, referring to a recent announcement. But of course this is just the announcement, the agreement happened some time before this.

But even if they only had 2014 to develop, with the unlimited development the result would still have been well below acceptable.

I really don't and will never understand the ragebait view behind this. Honda were totally unprepared, they admitted as much, brought in a year earlier by McLaren than they really wanted and then hamstrung by restrictive regs, but within 4 years they not only improved but managed to SURPASS both Renault and Ferrari (who never left btw) and then from 2021 to 2025 had the best PU on the field. Why is this achievement completely ignored just to flame their first couple of years (again, while handcuffed behind restrictive regs)?
They CLEARLY have the capability to do great things, and quickly. PLEASE move on lol.

[GhostF1]

This sounds very optimistic.. that's without considering the engine upgrade... so in best case 3sec of improvement is achievable!!! Delulu me

https://x.com/i/status/2077303303134740763

How this guys know that things? he leave AM 2 or 3 years ago, how he knows about something especific informations like that?

he just knows what hes heard from people around the team, and by what their tools are saying. it all relies on how well their tools are at this point. lets hope that theyve come a long way over the last months in their correlation. everybody in the team has to be kinda tense about right now.

Exactly this. He is careful to say specifically that he has "heard" they've gained 70 points of downforce. How that actually works on track we can't really know yet, even Aston.
Szafnauer is not the type to throw numbers like that around out of thin air. It'd be a pretty strong bet that's an accurate number AMR believe they've found.

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

How this guys know that things? he leave AM 2 or 3 years ago, how he knows about something especific informations like that?

he just knows what hes heard from people around the team, and by what their tools are saying. it all relies on how well their tools are at this point. lets hope that theyve come a long way over the last months in their correlation. everybody in the team has to be kinda tense about right now.

Exactly this. He is careful to say specifically that he has "heard" they've gained 70 points of downforce. How that actually works on track we can't really know yet, even Aston.
Szafnauer is not the type to throw numbers like that around out of thin air. It'd be a pretty strong bet that's an accurate number AMR believe they've found.

70 point of downforce will give them maximum 0.4 sec.

[SSJ4]

krack saying they're trying to get the package on both cars for hungary. i swear if it's given to stroll first again like last year and year before

[avada]

70 point of downforce will give them maximum 0.4 sec.

According to them (who were actualy in F1) it's 2 and a 1/4-ish seconds.