2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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I am a little surprised that they don't introduce everything all at once. Unless they do it this way as a measure of the chassis upgrades without more power?

I guess that would provide a definitive answer on what the chassis and aero upgrade is worth, and, cynically, show the real extent of the engine deficit.

Honda was quoted about needing to get enough test cycles in. Bringing the new ICE to the Netherlands allows the ICE to run an extra 3-4 weeks on the test beds, this is what Honda were after. Add to that Hungry isn't a power track, the extra power doesn't really help you, made it a win win scenario.

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[LM10]

I am a little surprised that they don't introduce everything all at once. Unless they do it this way as a measure of the chassis upgrades without more power?

I guess that would provide a definitive answer on what the chassis and aero upgrade is worth, and, cynically, show the real extent of the engine deficit.

Honda was quoted about needing to get enough test cycles in. Bringing the new ICE to the Netherlands allows the ICE to run an extra 3-4 weeks on the test beds, this is what Honda were after. Add to that Hungry isn't a power track, the extra power doesn't really help you, made it a win win scenario.

Every track is a power track for Aston Martin. With the humongous power deficit they have the upgrade will likely be a substantial one and help everywhere, even in Monaco.

[diffuser]

I am a little surprised that they don't introduce everything all at once. Unless they do it this way as a measure of the chassis upgrades without more power?

I guess that would provide a definitive answer on what the chassis and aero upgrade is worth, and, cynically, show the real extent of the engine deficit.

Honda was quoted about needing to get enough test cycles in. Bringing the new ICE to the Netherlands allows the ICE to run an extra 3-4 weeks on the test beds, this is what Honda were after. Add to that Hungry isn't a power track, the extra power doesn't really help you, made it a win win scenario.

Every track is a power track for Aston Martin. With the humongous power deficit they have the upgrade will likely be a substantial one and help everywhere, even in Monaco.

Lots of breaking opportunities in Hungry. So end up with alot of short bursts then break again, so you can recharge. Plus alot of the short bursts are from low speed, so you just can't go full throttle right away.

[Jambier]

Honda was quoted about needing to get enough test cycles in. Bringing the new ICE to the Netherlands allows the ICE to run an extra 3-4 weeks on the test beds, this is what Honda were after. Add to that Hungry isn't a power track, the extra power doesn't really help you, made it a win win scenario.

Every track is a power track for Aston Martin. With the humongous power deficit they have the upgrade will likely be a substantial one and help everywhere, even in Monaco.

Lots of breaking opportunities in Hungry. So end up with alot of short bursts then break again, so you can recharge. Plus alot of the short bursts are from low speed, so you just can't go full throttle right away.

Indeed the power deficit from energy harvesting will be lower , so engine will be "better" here compare to the best than at Monza

[FNTC]

I am interested in seeing the new aero package. Do we think Newey will come with an upside down rear wing? Any innvoations that no other teams have done yet, or just taking ideas from the best cars so far? Will be exciting to see.

[Petebass]

I have read "new gearbox" too (Autosport) and Honda said a "better performance" for this race. So, perhaps this motor can give more power than we have seen until now?

[diffuser]

I have read "new gearbox" too (Autosport) and Honda said a "better performance" for this race. So, perhaps this motor can give more power than we have seen until now?

There was a quote a long way back that they wouldn't be able to go full power on this ICE till they put in the new motor mounts. The mount that connect the motor to the chassis and the gearbox case. I have no idea if they're going with the new mounts here.

[avada]

May be this is the reason Honda brings the update engine in Netherlands.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/toto ... /10840464/

The first ADUO period saw Red Bull-Ford Powertrains placed at the top of the V6 power standings with Mercedes' trailing by between 2-4%, meaning it is entitled to one additional upgrade this year and one more next season. Ferrari, Audi and Honda were considered more than 4% behind and able to access two upgrades this season and two more next year.

The second ADUO period began from the Monaco GP and concludes at the Hungarian GP next week, meaning in theory the results will be communicated no more than two weeks later. However, the results of the first ADUO period still have not been officially published amid the Red Bull review.

Therefore all eyes will be on the FIA after the Hungarian GP for the results of the second ADUO period and whether any changes have been made that could see Mercedes put at the top of the pile. If that was the case, Red Bull’s power unit would still need to be at least 2% off Mercedes to be eligible for the upgrade opportunities.

Not sure what these periods mean?
Does it mean if nothing changes Honda is allowed a further four upgrades this year and next?
Or will the FIA just rescind the allowances for those who don't qualify anymore and didn't use them already?
If they FIA didn't change the way they measure the ICE, nothing will change in the results.

[avada]

I have read "new gearbox" too (Autosport) and Honda said a "better performance" for this race. So, perhaps this motor can give more power than we have seen until now?

There was a quote a long way back that they wouldn't be able to go full power on this ICE till they put in the new motor mounts. The mount that connect the motor to the chassis and the gearbox case. I have no idea if they're going with the new mounts here.

Not sure what that means. The the screws that hold the engine, their number and I think their location is prescribed.

[Jambier]

According to autoracer:

- Goal is to close the gap to Racing Bull and Alpine
- Be ahead of Audi and Haas ( and Williams and Cadillac)

They will need a lot of seconds, but we know the first seconds are the easiest.

This mean, they think the Honda can recover something like 70hp ? Sounds ambitious

[f1Follower]

Just a thought but if Honda engine is same as earlier no ADUO changes applied and with the new gear box and chassis there are no vibrations then it can be concluded that Honda is underpowered but the gearbox or another component was responsible for vibrations?

[diffuser]

I have read "new gearbox" too (Autosport) and Honda said a "better performance" for this race. So, perhaps this motor can give more power than we have seen until now?

There was a quote a long way back that they wouldn't be able to go full power on this ICE till they put in the new motor mounts. The mount that connect the motor to the chassis and the gearbox case. I have no idea if they're going with the new mounts here.

Not sure what that means. The the screws that hold the engine, their number and I think their location is prescribed.

If you look on the head of a ICE, you'll see a triangular shaped bars suspended above the head and connected to the head/block at different points. I think they're actually connected between the head and the block but that's just a guess. The Base of the triangle is at the front of the ICE, connects to the chassis/front of the car, and the point of the triangle is at the back, connects to the gearbox. My understanding is you can make those bars thicker in sections and thinner in other sections to absorb or change frequency of vibrations.

[diffuser]

Just a thought but if Honda engine is same as earlier no ADUO changes applied and with the new gear box and chassis there are no vibrations then it can be concluded that Honda is underpowered but the gearbox or another component was responsible for vibrations?

There are no vibration now. So why would there be in the future?

You need to look at this in a different light. Vibrations are just a normal thing for ICEs. They all vibrate. Teams just a have time to do away with them, tune them out. When I say teams, I mean teams like AMR/Honda teams. In this case both the ICE and the chassis was so behind schedule that they didn't have time to resolve them. So the vibrations are from AMR and Honda doing a piss poor job of integration. Leave it at that.

[FNTC]

If they could suddenly fight the racing bulls and alpine, that would be an insane achievement. Either that or they have been sandbagging to game the ADUO system. Either way, I would take it all day.