Kimi WRC move a back door to RB F1?

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Giblet wrote:You talk about the Red Bull sponsorship of Kimi like it's a back door, with no proof. You said his contract clearly changed, which is a very grand statement to make with no evidence other than what you read in to it.
You have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about. Unless you have his contract in your hand (you're the one who wants to try and use it as evidence against the discussion) then I'm afraid you can't use it to jump on the reasonable speculation that always goes on around these things.
Your opinion is great and all, but where did you read, or where did you hear that Kimi's personal Red Bull sponsorship changed?
Raikkonen's thoughts on the topic:
"Thanks to Red Bull, I have the opportunity to drive the best car of the series with the Citroen C4. This is a new but very exciting challenge."
I think that's pretty clear how things have moved on. Notice he didn't say Citroen there?

Joining the dots is all part of the fun of racing and Formula 1, and many journalists have already done so. Go and jump on their backs. There tends to be no smoke without fire over these things, and as said, it is a perfectly reasonable set of dots to join. It's been done many times before, and been proved true on many occasions. If you don't want to believe it, fine. Go away.
Kimi was with Red Bull personal sponsorship before even going to Ferrari, maybe Red Bull was paving a path to there as well?
Your logical reasoning is non-existent. Quite often a sponsor will smooth a driver's path into a team or a certain drive and we all kpow that it happens, but when it doesn't happen quite that way sometimes then that certainly doesn't disprove the relationship. You've got a very whacked out idea as to what you think you're proving, or not proving.
I know how sponsorship works
You quite clearly don't.
Coming to a conclusion with no information is just.........bizarre. Please instead of trying to explain sponsorship, show me something tangible.
There's ample information and history has taught us that there is no smoke without fire over these things. It's the easiest thing in the world to say "Show me something" when you're contributing sod all to a discussion yourself.

If you don't want to do some deductive reasoning, discuss things and join the dots, as any motorsport journalist does and why these forums exist, then quite frankly......sod off. You're not contributing anything to the discussion other than thinking that you have proved something (you haven't). Even more bizarrely, you might be genuinely afraid that Raikkonen getting back by this route might be a possibility, which is why you don't want to entertain it at any price. That's a borderline mental illness.

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segedunum wrote: Raikkonen's thoughts on the topic:
"Thanks to Red Bull, I have the opportunity to drive the best car of the series with the Citroen C4. This is a new but very exciting challenge."
I think that's pretty clear how things have moved on. Notice he didn't say Citroen there?
Yeah... he kinda did say Citroen there...

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Giblet wrote:I look forward to you breaking my post down line by line without addressing the question I asked in the previous post, and again in this one.
Well, at least you are predictable. Third time is a charm?

I still have not seen anything that says this has any bearing on a drive with Red Bull in 2011, and neither have you.

Again, driving for Red Bull backed Citroen's junior WRC team has nothing to do with him driving their F1 car. He was already backed personally by Red Bull.

You can make assumptions and connect the dots. Doesn't make you right, as loud as you might yell about it.
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Giblet wrote:I still have not seen anything that says this has any bearing on a drive with Red Bull in 2011, and neither have you.

Again, driving for Red Bull backed Citroen's junior WRC team has nothing to do with him driving their F1 car. He was already backed personally by Red Bull.

You can make assumptions and connect the dots. Doesn't make you right, as loud as you might yell about it.
Hard to argue with that without further evidence of a link to F1 in 2011.

But, i think the point being made is it is a more likely scenario (purely as an assumption) than had Kimi signed with Fiat for WRC with no extended Red Bull sponsorship.

You are right though, there is no concrete evidence that there is anymore to this than a 1yr WRC drive.
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Gut feel is that if he does a good job next year and enjoys himself we will not see him back in F1 - he hates the media and sponsor commitments that come with F1 and the work ethic required - and on the RBR drive that was speculation by some journo nothing concrete
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Lets just assume that Kimi will be driving for RBR in 2011, who do you think he will replace?

I so hope its not Webber, on the outside it seems easy to assume that Webber will be the one to go.

But I think there is a strong posibiity that he could replace Vettel who heads over to Mercedes. Imagine Schumi in a Merc for a year to get it all set up, Brawn is there and all, then Seb steps in in 2011 and its a German dynasty.... perhaps im just being wishful as I really want Webber to stay at RBR in 2011. Its also hard to go past Sebs path into F1 via the young driver program etc...

I just dont think its a given that should Kimi come to RBR it will be to replace Webs.

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SoliRossi wrote:I just dont think its a given that should Kimi come to RBR it will be to replace Webs.
Webber is only contracted for 2010 only, whilst Vettel has a 2yr deal with an option for 2012.

Webber openly admitted (in Singapore) he doesn't need a manager beyond his current contract. That implies 2 possibilities..

1. He will manage his own new post-Briatore contracts.
or
2. He will retire at the end of his current contract. (before the 09 BritGP, Mark went as far to say that if he didn't get the Red Bull drive, "I don't think I would bother with fighting to find another team" link)
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I was under the impression that Sebs contract was for 2010 with a further 2 year option (2011 and 2012) but my memory is not the best!!

So it seems clear that if Kimi is after the seat it will be Webber to give way for him. I hope that does not happen.

I dont think that Mark will try to find another drive either, should he not get a contract extention. Mind you I assume that would be determined by the quality of offers he got. But lets wait and see, with any luck he has another cracker of a season, gets some wins early on and then makes it impossible for RBR to replace him.

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Im with you Fil Im sure Webby wont chase another drive - hopefully the RBR is a good car and he can tally up a few more wins - he's now broken through as a GP winner which will have had a positive effect on his mindset. If for whatever reason next year is a fizzer Id say he will throw himself into the team ownership in F3 he's established with Horner maybe do a few key enduro races Le Mans etc (love to see him do Bathurst :D ) he's a racer at heart so he wont be sitting idley by twiddling his thumbs.
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Back on topic please. :)

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We'll never know if Kimi's head shrank or if he just started wearing big hats at some point.
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they even got his flat hat bill right...
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Pandamasque wrote:Back on topic please. :)

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I did say he possibly would not be back in F1 - from the man himself.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80616
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