Australian GP 2010 - Melbourne

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Ray wrote:
ISLAMATRON wrote:Hamilton is clearly the best driver on the grid by a long way.

He must have passed half the grid today(the top half)... and he had Alonso shitting in his pants and locking up before Webber ran into the back of him.
And you clearly are deluded and can't look at anything without bias. Alonso was dead last after 2 turns, ran on slicks alot longer than Lewis, locked up once when he took the inside to try and defend against a car with much fresher tires, wasn't 'shitting his pants' he just asked them not to constantly tell him where Lewis was possibly because he might have wanted to concentrate without someone blabbing in his ear every 30 seconds while he was in the middle of a fight with three other cars. Lewis was whining like a bitch on the radio about his tires, which he ran the crap out of passing people which was good one him, and then bitching about a call over a pit stop that he could have told them no about. Soon after Schumacher sets fastest lap by a long way and they decide to change tires, if Lewis believed it was a bad call he could have disregarded it. He has that kind of pull in the team, especially if Button can decide to go out on slicks just after it stops raining. Bitch in the motorhome, don't cry on the racetrack, completely unprofessional and his ego showed it today. But don't let that stop you from pissing and moaning and making up your own sequence of events though. It's actually quite funny.
Ratatouille wrote:I think Webber should be at least reprimanded for slamming into Hamilton. You can definitely see that the difference between Hamilton and Webber at overtaking are quite obvious.
Then everyone who made contact with another car at some point in the race should get penalized. Don't pick and choose who gets a penalty. [-X

Lewis and Alonso are the only two real racers in Formula 1 now, all others just block like retards. Lewis was spectacular today, Alonso drove wonderfully from a huge mistake at the beginning to finish with really worn tires, Massa drove a great race and saved quite a few crossed up moves today. Just goes to show, rain is the only thing that makes Formula 1 look like an actual race. Webber made a mistake but I can see how he thought Lewis was going to make it around Alonso and misjudged it and was too far off line to stop. Stupid mistake, but understandable. I was rooting for Lewis right up until he started crying on the radio about his pit strategy. You win some you lose some, crying is for children.
A poll would prove Hamilton was the life of the party this week. Alonso only passed the small fries. I would say Alonso and Hamilton are 2 men in a different league from everyone, but this weekend goes to the BOSS. His moves were simply disgustingly skillful. Alonso was very good though when it came to defending.
But after seeing Lewis in the wet, then seeing him hold of 2 ferraris at once, Alonso on the left Massa on the right, all i can say is that this guy is a freak of nature.

Hamilton mass raped the field today, Button was the only one that escaped. Kubica was lucky as well.

About Lewis on the radio, can't blame the guy, he would have eventually passed kubica for second. At least now Mclaren should understand that 1 stop is all that is need.
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segedunum wrote:It's a real concern now because they should have won a race by now. If it's not one thing it's another, and even worse, it doesn't seem to happen to Webber's car so there's no consistency.
Not "a" race. Both races should have been their cup of tea. CLEARLY. And yet it has failed to materialise. Let's pool some money and get Vettel to move to Ferrari for 2011 :twisted:
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Once again, Red Bull snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Far too often this has happened, and this year it could well cost them the championship. Something needs to change with their finish rates. Mechanical failures and a driver going into the gravel three (or four?) times is not a valid reason for failing to finish.

Button was good, but lucky. I guess this shows the importance of making the right gamble- Button chanced it, and it came good. But he could afford to because once Hamilton had passed him, he was never going to do particularly well without changing something majorly.

My driver of the day would have to be Alonso- from an unlucky (although it was largely his fault) turn 1, he did superbly to bring himself back through the field all, passing some quality drivers, all on one set of tires. Not easy, as Schumi's poor result showed. And then to keep them good enough to hold off Hamilton, that bodes well for the rest of the season. That said, if Webber hadn't hit Hamilton, he could well have overtaken Alonso in those last few laps. Other shoutouts go to Kubica (who knew the renault was quick?) and Sutil (a big result for force india that sadly went down due to his loss of engine power).

Congrats to Albert Park for being such a damned good circuit- no stupid high speed corners, punishing slippery curbs, big breaking chicanes, grass and gravel rather than tarmac runoffs, bloody slippery, bumpy, messy surface, and rain Rain RAIN!- all the ingredients for a great race rather than a snoozefest.

I think the main lesson from the race is that the tires degrade for a while, but the rate of degredation quickly levels off. It seems that there is very little difference between 30 lap tires and 50 lap tires- could this swing the balance of the racing to heavily favour one stop strategies? Or will that not be so true when they have to use both the option and prime?

This would also have to change the predictions for championship contenders to favour Alonso and Button, as drivers who seem highly capable of preserving tires. Hamilton and Massa both seemed to struggle to keep tires fresh, kind of hard to tell for the Mercs and Red Bulls.

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Ratatouille wrote:I dont think Lewis had his front wing changed, did he?

Which takes me to another point. Some of you have said Mclaren have a very stiff suspension, when Hamilton was overtaking Rosberg (I think) he went over the bumps on the main straight and the front wing resonated all over the place, and that prompted the Macca pit to get out a front wing which they later put aside. Goes to show the suspension issue.
I think it's stiff because they are trying to manage the ride height. They are making the car stiff so they can set the car lower in qualifying trim. If they can get the ride height adjustment system in there I think they can compete with Red Bull.

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TheMinister wrote: Button was good, but lucky. I guess this shows the importance of making the right gamble- Button chanced it, and it came good. But he could afford to because once Hamilton had passed him, he was never going to do particularly well without changing something majorly.
I don't call managing soft tyres for 50 odd laps luck. I am astounded he did it, I honestly though we were going to see a tyre failure or just a dramatic drop off the pace, but he was actually going faster!

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righto chaps. Before a huge brawl begins:

From Mark Webber:

Tried to get the run out of the corner.
Closed up to Lewis, got too close and the front wing lost downforce, preventing the car stopping.
Tried to turn, to get past the inside (avoiding an accident) but it was too late.

He also apologised to Lewis.
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I like that Button has the experience to know he should play to his strengths. He avoided the battling and chose to pit early for a clean run for the win.
He knew 1 stop was needed. However the race would have been a tincy wincy bit better if the tyres would fall off a little more. They lasted too long. It would have been nice to see Hamilton and rosberg close in on they guys that did not pit.

Shumacher now..... I'll give him 2 more races. Barichello is looking like the better driver now.
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A much better race, Red Bull is clearly the best car at the moment, noone was gonna catch Vettel, you cant take much from Webbers drive, he is just an average driver in a great car. I'm sure we are all sick of hearing how unlucky he is. Massa and Alsono battle was very interesting. McLaren show some great race pace but they know Red Bull are the team to beat.

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Diesel wrote:
TheMinister wrote: Button was good, but lucky. I guess this shows the importance of making the right gamble- Button chanced it, and it came good. But he could afford to because once Hamilton had passed him, he was never going to do particularly well without changing something majorly.
I don't call managing soft tyres for 50 odd laps luck. I am astounded he did it, I honestly though we were going to see a tyre failure or just a dramatic drop off the pace, but he was actually going faster!
I think it's more the tyres than the driver. Alonso was in dirty air the whole time and the tyres looked good enough to race in Malaysia next week.
In fact they could fit the cargo plane to malaysia with the said tyres, then put them on the car and they would still be good for the race distance. :lol:
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Damn F. Bulk, he let everyone pass easily but Alonso.

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ringo wrote:
Diesel wrote:
TheMinister wrote: Button was good, but lucky. I guess this shows the importance of making the right gamble- Button chanced it, and it came good. But he could afford to because once Hamilton had passed him, he was never going to do particularly well without changing something majorly.
I don't call managing soft tyres for 50 odd laps luck. I am astounded he did it, I honestly though we were going to see a tyre failure or just a dramatic drop off the pace, but he was actually going faster!
I think it's more the tyres than the driver. Alonso was in dirty air the whole time and the tyres looked good enough to race in Malaysia next week.
In fact they could fit the cargo plane to malaysia with the said tyres, then put them on the car and they would still be good for the race distance. :lol:
They were all managing the pace to make the tyres last, if they had pushed harder they would have worn out. The big question was would a new set of tyres be faster to the finish line than a managed worn set. We all know the answer.

On paper a new set was probably faster which is why McLaren made the call.

But hey you clearly know more than me, so when is your next race?

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The car looks like it is fast enough to win races, but is hindered by qualifying. If they improve to at least being able to be on the second row every race, the car will win some more. It also looks like it is better on the tyres than all others with exception to ferrari.
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Diesel wrote:
TheMinister wrote: Button was good, but lucky. I guess this shows the importance of making the right gamble- Button chanced it, and it came good. But he could afford to because once Hamilton had passed him, he was never going to do particularly well without changing something majorly.
I don't call managing soft tyres for 50 odd laps luck. I am astounded he did it, I honestly though we were going to see a tyre failure or just a dramatic drop off the pace, but he was actually going faster!
No that was very skilled, but Alonso did more with his tires and still only came 4th. So I think Button was lucky that his gamble paid off to get him to the front in the first place. But then very few drivers manage to win without some elements of luck.

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ringo wrote:Hamilton mass raped the field today, Button was the only one that escaped. Kubica was lucky as well.
Hamilton passed Button just before Button pitted... it was nasty too... Hamilton passed so many diffeent drivers in so many different ways it was rediculous. And real cars(Webber, Massa, Rosberg) not backmarkers like Aonso was passing.

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I wonder who is giving him a lift from the circuit? I'm sure Jenson has a spare seat in his car.

We all know where Lewis's car is right now...

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