Australian GP 2010 - Melbourne

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Re: Australian GP 2010 (Melbourne)

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Vettel will be back surely. The RedBull has so much speed left in it and we have more races to go until Europe.
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This is interesting:
Michael Schumacher has contended that his first corner brush with Fernando Alonso in today's Australian Grand Prix in Melbourne cost him the chance of potentially fighting for the podium

Didnt really see Schumacher doind much in the whole race. Maybe damaged the car

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dave34m wrote: Didnt really see Schumacher doind much in the whole race. Maybe damaged the car
This and the 2(3) stop strategy ruined it for him today
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Just_a_fan wrote:Webber and Hamilton set their fastest lap times on lap 47 and Webber was 0.15 seconds faster. Webber's tyres were only 2 laps older than Hamilton's. So the "conserving tyres" thing looks like guff to be honest.
It's not that simple I'm afraid because you can never be sure how and where teams are getting their lap time from their tyres at any given time. That's the whole grey area in the new rules which make tyres the ultimate variable. We also got large variances in temperature and conditions in relation to other tracks.

You simply can't compare there because you're comparing apples to kumquats - time is gained in radically different ways for different teams and drivers at different times.
Hamilton was very quick today and was all over (and passing) other, supposedly superior, cars all race until the last few laps. On similar tyres he drove away from Webber in the chase after the Ferraris.
I'm afraid not.
The Red Bull is obviously the quickest car so far, but over the duration of a race the McLaren is right up there as a front runner.
I'm afraid not. McLaren is missing a chunk of downforce in relation to the Red Bulls and Ferraris (you don't just lose the best part of a second of ultimate pace by ignoring qualifying) and as I've explained, the tracks they have been at so far have rather mitigated any disadvantage they have during the race because they have an advantage in straight line speed elsewhere. Once downforce becomes the primary factor at many high speed tracks then we'll really know where they are.

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volarchico wrote:Why does no one else seem to see this? The car during the race was just as fast as Ferrari, and faster than Webber's RB.
They're not I'm afraid. We had large variances in conditions and temperature relative to other tracks, and people make the huge mistake of comparing different cars using tyres differently and wearing them at different rates. The McLaren also gains most of its speed in a straight line relative to everyone else.

The big mistake people are making is taking what's happened in the last two races, completely ignoring qualifying, and then trying to extrapolate that into performance for the rest of the season at other tracks. That's why McLaren themselves are deliberately downbeat for Malaysia until they can make some solid improvements.

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Giblet wrote:Maybe RB has QC issues.
That would seem to sum it up. The variety of problems they have had, not just in the two races we've had, but also in winter testing as well, would suggest some QC issues. They all seem to be unrelated, but they've had so many issues now that there must be some common cause several steps down the line.

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ringo wrote:Vettel loves to swing wide on the curbs to keep up his speed.....The low and delicate RBR doesn't like curbs very much and this is why Webber never seems to have as much reliability problems even when he is straining the car fighting in the midfield.
I think that's a bit of a stretch. The kerbs aren't that lethal and Webber loves to aggressively drive the car to the kerbs and move it around rather a lot as well - perhaps even more so. I think we're clutching at straws as to a causation there. Webber had some reliability issues in winter testing himself. I just can't see that correllating.

Giblet is right I think. I think they have some kind of weird and general QC issue. You can blame odd failures on third-party components or even driver style at a stretch, but not all of them.

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Free advertising on the ferrari. :) MIG should have to pay for that.
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This should be in the race thread. Nobody seems to remember that the relative speed of one car to another, even if one of those cars is the MP4/25, is not supposed to be here.

This is for developments of the car, what the car has on it, what the wings are like compared to last race, the top speed of the car, stuff like that. What the drivers made the car do is not directly related to the car itself. We know that RB is in better shape in the downforce department, let's not keep trying to measure how much.

It does look like the blown wing is having an effect. If the car can get the ride height gizmo system that RB are said to have by Martin Whitmarsh, then they might be in a better position.

The car:

Were the asymmetrical exhaust opening on the Mclaren new to this race? I have not been following the car development that closely, as this thread keeps getting hijacked.
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One thing I am curious about the car is the brakes in particular. We know the RB has the bottom mounted calipers now. If some piece of titanium made it into the intake for the brake as autogyro suggested, would it matter if the brake was not working?

I ask because, is not the cooling in the brakes entirely internal? Obviously the open face of the brake cools itself, but are not the vents in the radial side of the disc where the brake ducts air exits?

I would think if a tiny piece of ti made it in between the caliper and disc, it would just make a groove at worst. Titanium aside, there would have to be little pieces of stone and all kinds of crap getting in there all the time.

I just have this feeling that the bespoke caliper system they are using, since no other car has it, might be at the heart of the problem as it new.
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Ganxxta wrote: This and the 2(3) stop strategy ruined it for him today
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Great picture! I wonder if Ferrari will be incorporating that "aero bit" into future cars...they seemed pretty quick out there.

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thats probably from his first front wing.....which was replaced, but he did break his right side pod turning vane....

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Giblet wrote:The car:

Were the asymmetrical exhaust opening on the Mclaren new to this race? I have not been following the car development that closely, as this thread keeps getting hijacked.
A few pages back, someone posted some pictures of the asymmetric exhaust from practice. Other's speculated they were just testing "fairly" so that neither driver had one style or the other and from the data they would choose the better option (smaller or larger). Looks like that speculation has been debunked, and now is the time for others to speculate why they are running different sized exhausts.

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Score Board Baby :wink:

Pos Team Points
1 Ferrari 70
2 McLaren-Mercedes 54
3 Mercedes GP 29
4 Renault 18
5 RBR-Renault 18
6 Force India-Mercedes 8
7 Williams-Cosworth 5

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http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp? ... sec=sports

Ferrari lead the constructors’ championship from McLaren by 16 points after the
openingtwo rounds and heading into next week’s race in Malaysia.

Team principal Stefano Do­­me­nicali praised Alonso’s unselfish support for Massa to claim a podium position amid late challenges from McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton and Red Bull’s Mark Webber.

“Fernando, who had been last after the first corner, staged a fantastic climb through the field into fourth spot and might have got an even better result,” Domenicali said.

“He was perfect when defending his position against Hamilton in the closing stages.”
Domenicali said the result was also positive for the team after stretching their lead on the constructors’ standings.


“Our strongest competitors at the moment picked up just a few points and even when compared to the other drivers, we have extended our lead,” he said.

“Now we must remain focused and prepare as well as possible for next week’s race in Malaysia, where we will again find different conditions to those we have experienced in the first two Grand Prix.--AFP"


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