McLaren - A picture of harmony

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timbo wrote:
ringo wrote:He went into cruise control.
Well, driving 52 laps on the same tyres is hardly cruise control. Noone hadn't managed to do so since 2005, and 2005 is not a fair comparison even, because the tyres were different and cars were much lighter. He also was able to keep Kubica and Ferraris at bay.
It was quite the opposite site of racecraft than what Hamilton showed, but a racecraft nonetheless.
Yep, well metered race, but not difficult as trying to catch someone. Vettel is a master at this type of racing from the front as well.
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ringo wrote:Yep, well metered race, but not difficult as trying to catch someone. Vettel is a master at this type of racing from the front as well.
Remember, nobody did 52 laps with full tank and one set of soft rubber for who knows how long. It was something unknown, a new territory.

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so more information for us from Aus....

although every driver in the field knew that slicks were ready , nice work from Jakob to confirm the position to jenson , obviating doubt is a good thing in any field of human endeavour , 10/10 for Jakob , nice cool communication

I realise that many of you do not have access to the BBC broadcast ,so I can only reiterate that the BBC interviewed Jakob immediately after the end of the race [ before jenson had even been weighed , let alone interviewed ] and he was quite clear that , this being a tactical decision it was jenson's to make ...only thing was they didn't expect it quite so soon ....hence the crew sitting on their behinds instead of getting the tyres out

it is also quite clear if you look at the timing sheets that the other drivers should have made the same decision , they just didn't get it right

regarding lewis's change , looks like somebody has made a proper examination of the evidence

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82635

it also seems to confirm the reports that ferrari are very light on their tyres are correct ....but what about renault ?that looks good to me

and although it doesn't mention it , it calls into question whether or not vettel would have finished without a stop , he would certainly have gone further than webber with a much smoother race , but enough further ? some dubiety about that imho

as Alice said .....curiouser and curiouser
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I find these comments quite interesting. It sorta confirms way LH cannot take any decision he make himself right - it is because all along it somebody else to made the decisions for him :D


http://totalf1.com/full_story/view/3356 ... he_isquot/

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as I know from my own experience in working many years in the same organisation this is a common scenario ; when you start you don't make the decisions and you are loyal to the people who are loyal to you and are instrumental in your rise up the ladder ...unless , of course , you are the sort of person who has no loyalty

but you then arrive at a point when you want to decide your own destiny , and it is very difficult to look your former mentors in the eye and tell them that you know best and will decide ; it is often referred to as a tipping point

hamilton is 25 years old and only in his 4th year in F1 ...he has decided to no longer be managed by his father [ how hard was that ?] and his castigation of his team in the last race has been widely reported [ it is now clear that they were right and he was wrong but that is not the point ]

can I suggest he has arrived at HIS tipping point
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Vall is this your "slur Hamilton in as many threads as possible" day? :)
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Giblet wrote:Vall is this your "slur Hamilton in as many threads as possible" day? :)
just twice today :D

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Could an admin please incorporate this thread into the "McLaren - A picture of harmony" thread?
Racing should be decided on the track, not the court room.

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vall wrote:
Giblet wrote:Vall is this your "slur Hamilton in as many threads as possible" day? :)
just twice today :D
And how many are you gonna make tomorrow? And the day after that? :roll:

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I have always maintained that hamilton was a "Portotype" of sorts. But I find it disgusting that Whitmarsh is talking that way about Hamilton's life so candidly. It's even worse than Hamilton's outburst last week, this is just inexcusable. :sick:

I say Hamilton to Ferrari; it's about time for him to leave mclaren!
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No, he should leave after he takes that MclarenF1 LM. 2 more years and he is good to go to ferrari. 8)
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n smikle wrote: I say Hamilton to Ferrari.
Alonso would never let that happen. Never. I could see him replacing Schumacher at Mercedes. But I think Lewis will see out his contract with McLaren.

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Alonso has no say in the matter. Who does he think he is? Alain Prost? :lol:
If Luca knows he can manage the 2 drivers, i think he would take Hamilton in a heart beat. Ferrari have a way of not letting the 2 drivers cross paths. That partnership would be bullet proof. :-k
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n smikle wrote:I have always maintained that hamilton was a "Portotype" of sorts. But I find it disgusting that Whitmarsh is talking that way about Hamilton's life so candidly. It's even worse than Hamilton's outburst last week, this is just inexcusable. :sick:

I say Hamilton to Ferrari; it's about time for him to leave mclaren!
MW just states the obvious, no? With Macca's money Lewis was always installed right in the best machinery in every category he raced in. He never had to wary much about it, to start in a crappy car and fight his way up as all other drivers did. As MW says, Lewis never had any real problems until last year.

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vall wrote: MW just states the obvious, no? With Macca's money Lewis was always installed right in the best machinery in every category he raced in. He never had to wary much about it, to start in a crappy car and fight his way up as all other drivers did. As MW says, Lewis never had any real problems until last year.
Thats not so true and you know it...He had McLaren's feedback but to an extent that was his talent and his personality that got him where he is now.Challenging the reigning world champion in his first year in F1 on the same machinery was a marvellous thing to see.

Fact is that yes,he had a competitive car on 2007 and 2008 when he got his WDC but remember, other drivers were provided the best machinery and what they got?Nothing...(ex.Coulthard/Barichello).DC and RB are great drivers for sure and im not taking away any credit of them but you get my point.

Having the best machinery doesnt ever lead you to glory.You got to have that something special and Lewis has it either some like it or not.Last year was a tough one for him but he coped it very well IMHO.He got decent results,podiums,wins considering the time and car being.

Its not always gonna be smooth and Lewis knows that.He's still young,he's got to learn more from his difficulties he's gonna get more expierienced and i would say encouragement and support is better than criticism in these cases and Hamilton has more people "hating" him and criticize him every day and in my point of view i dont see the reason for that.