Tracking of engine use - 2010

[jddh1]

Renault has the most reliable engine so far when it matters top teams.

I agree. I even said that on another thread a couple of days ago. It was evident from the end of last season to me at least.

[ESPImperium]

Great numbers!! Where'd you get them, by the way? And also, couldn't Bulk and Fred use the engine that they abandoned after Bahrain quali again? They might've used 3 engines, but they might not have "used up" 3 engines.

Its quite easy to set up a set of datasheets in Microsoft Excel or any other spreadsheet program once youve done one from scratch. Ive set up data sheets for 2005 to the current 2010 season.

As for source data, the FIA website has a F1 Media Centre, whitch is quite useful, also F1.com for archived data is also good. As for chassis data, each teams web page is generally good for this, altho i do have to get data from the moderators here who have media access for a couple of teams that i dont have access to.

Heres some threads to have a look at:
2006 & 2007 Engine & Driver Distance Data: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7551

2008 Engine Usage Data: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7095

As for my data for this season, im holding fire, keeping my powder dry. I peaked too early last year, and it got a bit heavy before the end of the season, well before it infact.

As for engines this year, Renault and Mercedes dont have much between them. Probably arround 4% is about all it is, whitch Renault are gonna make up with their upgrades. The least relyable is Ferarri with 3 blown to date from 14 between 3 teams. So far the engine average distance is 924.467 across all 50 engines active across all drivers.

[csponton]

Where can I find the distance traveled by each engine?

[raymondu999]

As for engines this year, Renault and Mercedes dont have much between them. Probably arround 4% is about all it is, whitch Renault are gonna make up with their upgrades. The least relyable is Ferarri with 3 blown to date from 14 between 3 teams. So far the engine average distance is 924.467 across all 50 engines active across all drivers.

Do you mean in terms of power/torque figures, or in terms of reliability? And how do you know that though? I don't think it's really been proved yet that the Renault has much more grunt than last year, no? Last year it was clear by Monza that Mercedes had a lot of grunt, and that Ferrari were kind of close. The Renault engines were weaklings come Spa and Monza. But I haven't really seen anything that proves they've got better power output this year, no?

[raymondu999]

Exactly Raymundo, only Alonso has completely eliminated an engine. The ones from Bahrain are still useable, but only for FP's.

Why though? Why not a race? I'm sorry but I'm not quite sure I understand why. Also, I know that both Ferraris used an engine for qualy, then changed it for the race. They changed it again before Malaysia? I'm not sure why but I didn't quite catch that anywhere on the internet...

On a side note, please don't call me that. I utterly hate being called that.

[autogyro]

Exactly Raymundo, only Alonso has completely eliminated an engine. The ones from Bahrain are still useable, but only for FP's.

Why though? Why not a race? I'm sorry but I'm not quite sure I understand why. Also, I know that both Ferraris used an engine for qualy, then changed it for the race. They changed it again before Malaysia? I'm not sure why but I didn't quite catch that anywhere on the internet...

On a side note, please don't call me that. I utterly hate being called that.

I would guess that Ferrari is using more engines to evaluate their cooling problems. It does not mean for sure that the engines last a shorter time.

[manchild]

Keep hoping but replaced engines are done. Their internals can't be opened, only some outer parts allowed by FIA like injection, exhaust, alternator etc. can be replaced.

Those used engines are rapidly oxidizing and corroding inside, gaskets are rotting, rubber seals are loosing elasticity etc. F1 engine is not passenger car engine with internals meant to last 100.000 km, or several years.

[autogyro]

Good job for the 'endoscope' man then.

[WhiteBlue]

I believe the current engine generation is designed to be rebuild. So after a full cycle they can be re used for racing or for cars that will be used as show cars or customer cars.

[manchild]

Of course they can be rebuilt, that's precisely why they have serials and FIA seals on them - to prevent rebuilding that would make cost cutting and 8 engines per car rule pointless.

[rjsa]

@raymondu999: An engine replaced in parc ferme (after start of qual session) cannot be used either on qual or race again, only on fps. This is to prevent the building of qualifying dedicated engines.

[raymondu999]

Wouldn't that mean that the Bahrain Quali engine for both Ferraris would be out, but not the race Bahrain engines? And the Melbourne engines too?

[mx_tifoso]

Um that's an oddly worded series of questions. But Alonso's race engine from Bahrain is out as it failed in Malaysia. The engines were replaced after qualy in Bahrain. I don't have stats for each engine and each session and GP that they participated in though.

And the reason why I said that the first set of Bahrain engines can't be used for races is because they overheated and shouldn't be trusted in race conditions where points are at risk. The overheating plus the mileage accrued relegates them to FP's and possibly qualy.

IMO.

[raymondu999]

Here's the rewording: Alonso used an engine in FP and QUaly bahrain (now they CAN'T use this anymore) THat's 1.

He used an engine for bahrain's race, and australia, and malaysia (presumably, as I didn't hear of an engine change) which blew, leaving him another engine unusable for racing.

So wouldn't that mean he's used up 2 and not 3 engines? He has 7 left?

Ditto with Massa, except massa would have 8 left as he didn't blow a unit, no?

[mx_tifoso]

Correct. Alonso has 7 left. Massa 8.

The engines from FP and Qualy in Bahrain are still useable, just not in race conditions. I already explained my reasoning.

The engine that Alonso used for the Bahrain race has blown in Malaysia.