Max says Ferrari and Montezemolo crap

[Pierce89]

Luca was head of Fota which Ferrari and the other big manufacturers set up mainly to keep their huge budgets in the face of the banking collapse (greed or what?) and to delay the introduction of Kers, which they knew would effect their road going gas guzzlers and they were not ready for the public response.

As soon as these facts began to be revealed in the world press, Luca resigned as head of Fota and left it to an even weaker man to run.

If anybody noticed, Luca has also stepped down from his Fiat position, which is Fiat trying to distance itself from the flack.

The man is much more than weak he is a liar.
Max on the other hand has been proven absolutely correct in the way the WC had planned F1 in 2008 and it is only now that things are going back to that direction. Todt is still looking for a head of F1 and I know who I would choose.
The job would get done properly.

Just because the teams want to spend less does not make Max's dictatorial BS in 2008 right. He was right the the team's budgets were out of control, but his confrontational and stupid way of doing things nearly destroyed the sport. FOTA didn't threaten to break away simply so they could have unlimited budgets. They were tired of one(very cray and agressive) man trying to impose his will on everyone. Max had no right to do what he tried. The FIA president is in no way supposed to try and run F1. The FIA is only supposed to SANCTION F1. It should be run by Bernie and FOM. They care much more about the well being of the sport. Max just wanted the FIA to run all of F1 and that is not their function. I personally believe Max just wanted closer to the money(and Nazi dominatrix types) Your post is just an anti- Ferrari rant. Oh and Luca isn't that great, but Max is pure ego and self entitlement.

[mcdenife]

I have to mostly agree Tomba, but Todt just got here, and has not had to deal with the problems of scale that Mosley has had to as of yet. No gates, no deaths, no financial meltdown, no three huge teams (and former traditional engine suppliers) suddenly leaving the sport, no bringing in new teams under constant fire fire from every angle amongst 'the spenders'.

Like most I was not in support of the election of Todt (espcially because to the way the election was conducted). But I have to say so far I like his approach though the jury is still out with regards to results. So while I agree with the above, you also have to acknowledge the most of the problems mentioned above were mostly of Mosleys making in the first place.

[autogyro]

I have to mostly agree Tomba, but Todt just got here, and has not had to deal with the problems of scale that Mosley has had to as of yet. No gates, no deaths, no financial meltdown, no three huge teams (and former traditional engine suppliers) suddenly leaving the sport, no bringing in new teams under constant fire fire from every angle amongst 'the spenders'.

Like most I was not in support of the election of Todt (espcially because to the way the election was conducted). But I have to say so far I like his approach though the jury is still out with regards to results. So while I agree with the above, you also have to acknowledge the most of the problems mentioned above were mostly of Mosleys making in the first place.

Here we go again. The last two posts at least are attacking Max Mosley with nothing but guess work again. If you must attack him then please 'explain' the issues you use to do so, if you do not then your posts are just sand and of no substance.
Also, how is it possible to state that you were against the election of Todt 'like most', when he 'was' elected. I thought 'most' was the requirement for success in an election!!!

[Pierce89]

If F2 was entirely run on F1 certified tracks this accident had not happened the way it did.

So, who's to blame?
Has anything changed?

I don't think that anybody is to blame. It is worth remembering that F1 is the pinnacle of safety compared to other open wheel formulae. That is to a huge part owed to Max Mosley's efforts and the people who engineered his safety demands.

After Senna's death,anyone would've done what Max did. All he did was demand higher safety standards. Anyone in his post would handle it the same way. Max didn't accomlish anything anyone else wouldn't have done. So why should he get credit for making F1 safer. I give the credit to Senna.

[autogyro]

That is a rediculous thing to say. There were plenty of fatalities in F1 and motor sport in general before the Senna accident, more than enough to motivate efforts on safety. It was never done until Max took over at the FIA.

[timbo]

That is a rediculous thing to say. There were plenty of fatalities in F1 and motor sport in general before the Senna accident, more than enough to motivate efforts on safety. It was never done until Max took over at the FIA.

???
So there were no armco, no medical staff introduced on GP, no nomex etc?
It's all the grand Mosley?
What a bullsh*t.
The history of improving safety standards goes far beyond Mosley's history.

[autogyro]

Of course there were safety regulations before Mosley but there was no real effort to address the issue fully and effectively.
Mosley brought in huge budgets to deal with the problem.
If this had not been the case, F1 would be far more dangerous today and many would have lost their lives.
Saving lives in not bullsh-t. What a thing to say.

[mcdenife]

Here we go again. The last two posts at least are attacking Max Mosley with nothing but guess work again. If you must attack him then please 'explain' the issues you use to do so, if you do not then your posts are just sand and of no substance.

Actually its not guess work but his past actions and governance too numerous to even begin to mention let alone explain.

Also, how is it possible to state that you were against the election of Todt 'like

Support does not necessarily imply a vote.

[WhiteBlue]

There were a lot of safety measures in F1 pre Max Mosley and as a result fatalities had significantly dropped in the 80ties compared to the seventies and sixties. Just remember Berger's fiery accident in the notorious Tamburello corner in 1989. Without the advances in marshaling he surely would have died. But you also have to consider that Tamburello had seen a fair amount of nasty accidents and only got the chicane when Mosley imposed drastic safety reviews on circuits after the Senna/Razenberger disaster.

The difference in the Mosley time was the attitude of never being complacent. Safety became institutionalized. Research on safety received support in the FiA budget and the FiA Institute was founded. The formation of the FiA Institute was instrumental in implementing a huge amount of improvements in track and car design as well as driver personal equipment since 1994. There must have been hundreds of improvements to safety standards and just the fundamental break throughs must be more than fifty. Some of those have come from the teams, some from other series but their fast implementation was often due to the fact that the FiA institute presented scientific advise ASAP. Mosley had a big part in implementing the regulations swiftly and thus saving lives of drivers, marshals and spectators.

I would take any bet that Massa would not live without the helmet regulations kicked off by Mosley in the late nineties. Kubica, Zonta and a number of other drivers would be history without the chassis safety measures.

[timbo]

Of course there were safety regulations before Mosley but there was no real effort to address the issue fully and effectively.

Eh? No real effort?
Hadn't you noticed, there were no fatalities on a GP since 1982 until 1994.
And cars were mighty fast. I bet that was result of some effort.

Yes, he did a lot for safety, but to say that there was no real effort prior to him is plain wrong.

[autogyro]

Here we go again. The last two posts at least are attacking Max Mosley with nothing but guess work again. If you must attack him then please 'explain' the issues you use to do so, if you do not then your posts are just sand and of no substance.

Actually its not guess work but his past actions and governance too numerous to even begin to mention let alone explain.

Also, how is it possible to state that you were against the election of Todt 'like

Support does not necessarily imply a vote.

This post is trying to wriggle out of the obvious. The poster stated that he was against Todt, 'LIKE MOST'. This is impossible to be true because Todt was voted in as president.
Saying that you believe Mosleys mistakes in past actions/governence were to numerous to mention is a weak mans argument based on sand.
If you have criticisms of Max back them up or shut up, simple innit.

[andrew]

Of course there were safety regulations before Mosley but there was no real effort to address the issue fully and effectively.
Mosley brought in huge budgets to deal with the problem.
If this had not been the case, F1 would be far more dangerous today and many would have lost their lives.
Saving lives in not bullsh-t. What a thing to say.

If you look beyond Mosley you will find that the first driver to champion safety was Jackie Stewart. This was prompted by his own horrendous accident in Belgium in 1966.

He commented on the accident:

"I lay trapped in the car for twenty-five minutes, unable to be moved. Graham and Bob Bondurant got me out using the spanners from a spectator's toolkit. There were no doctors and there was nowhere to put me. They in fact put me in the back of a van. Eventually an ambulance took me to a first aid spot near the control tower and I was left on a stretcher, on the floor, surrounded by cigarette ends. I was put into an ambulance with a police escort and the police escort lost the ambulance, and the ambulance didn't know how to get to Liège. At the time they thought I had a spinal injury. As it turned out, I wasn't seriously injured, but they didn't know that."
"I realised that if this was the best we had there was something sadly wrong: things wrong with the race track, the cars, the medical side, the fire-fighting, and the emergency crews. There were also grass banks that were launch pads, things you went straight into, trees that were unprotected and so on. Young people today just wouldn't understand it. It was ridiculous."

[autogyro]

As a matter purely of interest and to add a little to your story about Jackie Stewart.
Max Mosley had two equaly serious crashes in F2 and I personaly have had two serious crashes and two not so serious. A number of broken bones and one very smashed crash helmet.

So what was the point you were making?
Was it 'if I am a famous F1 driver and get sponsored by one of the banks that ripped us all off, I get more sympathy'.

[andrew]

As a matter purely of interest and to add a little to your story about Jackie Stewart.
Max Mosley had two equaly serious crashes in F2 and I personaly have had two serious crashes and two not so serious. A number of broken bones and one very smashed crash helmet.

So what was the point you were making?
Was it 'if I am a famous F1 driver and get sponsored by one of the banks that ripped us all off, I get more sympathy'.

The point is that F1 safety was not pioneered by Max Mosley, albeit he was involved in moving it forward after 94.

Last time I checked, Jackie Stewart was not sponsored by any banks when he was in F1 so your point is irrelevant. You clearly do not like JYS (why? he's still a down to earth guy despite all his success and was a darn fine driver), but the fact is he was one of, if not THE, pionneer of F1 safety in a period when no one cared about safety, making himself pretty unpopular at times.

[autogyro]

I am not saying that Sir Jackie did not work hard for racing safety, I am just reminding people that he was far from the only one involved.
To say that no one else was interested is simply untrue but of course you would have had to bounce off a few trees and barriers in the old days to realy understand.
It was Max that fought tooth and nail against the circuit owners and race organisers when he got into a position to do so and it was Max who made the biggest changes.

This is the main point about Max, he has never bothered about being popular or even liked. He has got the strength of character and the drive to make things work though, even in the face of the whole motor and oil industries.
Could the same be said of the uninformed opinionated weak individuals who criticise him.