Where is Red Bull's competitive spirit?

[manchild]

Think about this:

When driver of an F1 car lifts foot of the throttle, deceleration due to downforce, drag, high compression ratio of engine and width of tyres can reach 1G.

No passenger car can reach 1G with max pressure on brake pedal.

[hollus]

When the problem beame obvious he was what, 50 seconds ahead of the 5th position? That's a very fair shot at keeping a lot of points even by using mostly aero braking, which he did. Just think what he could have done last year with 5 more points in the last races...
It makes me wonder why to tell him to stop and not to race. Were they afraid of he hurting himself, or were they afraid of the car crashing, getting lifted in a crane, photographed from different angles... That car is constantly surrounded by mechanics whenever possible, that's how afraid of photographers they are. So, was "Vettel, you are too fast, we don't need this" refering to we don't need 10 points, or was it more like we would rather keep our secrets secret than try to get those 10 ponits?

[autogyro]

I think it was a slightly emotional response to a driver who was driving to fast into braking areas with brakes ready to let go.
I disagree with all the talk of safety. The team was at a decision point that could have gone either way. Arguments for stopping were equal to arguments to continue. The driver had the facts, it was his final choice or perhaps the race directors.
This should be F1 motor racing not some mamby pamby ball sport.

[WhiteBlue]

Yea he was definatly using some brakes. Turn 10 without brakes is just plain stupid or a death wish.

Then it is your word against Vettel's.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 50780.html

War der Reifenwechsel danach berechtigt?
Vettel: Wir wollten checken, was da los ist. Als ich wieder auf die Strecke gehe, sagt mir das Team, dass ich das Rennen beenden soll. Ihnen war das Risiko wegen der kaputten Bremse zu groß.

Warum sind Sie der Aufforderung nicht gefolgt?
Vettel: Ich habe am Funk gefragt, ob dass wirklich notwendig ist. Ich könnte ja wenigstens noch langsam zu Ende fahren und zwei, drei Punkte holen.

Und dann?
Vettel: Ich bekam keine Antwort. Also bin ich weiter gefahren. Mitten in der Zielkurve kam dann der Funkspruch: Fahr weiter, aber pass auf. Da wäre es sowieso schon zu spät gewesen. Ich war an der Boxeneinfahrt gerade vorbei.

Wie haben Sie sich dann ins Ziel gerettet?
Vettel: Ich habe die Bremsbalance komplett nach hinten verstellt. Trotzdem waren sie an der Box ganz aufgeregt und haben mich immer wieder ans Langsamfahren erinnert. Da war ich noch mit 1.25er Zeiten unterwegs. Weil ich Alonso sowieso nicht mehr gekriegt hätte und das Polster zu Schumacher groß genug war, bin ich die letzten fünf Runden nur noch auf Ankommen gefahren. Ich habe kein einziges Mal mehr gebremst.

The last five laps I only cruised to the flag because Alonso was gone and the cushion to Schumacher was sufficiently large. I did not brake a single time.

[ISLAMATRON]

just think about singapore last year when the same thing went down with Webber, loss of brakes, pit stop, release after finding bits of brake disc, but Webbo put it in the wall shortly after... crazy how bad his "luck" is

[lebesset]

didn't brake once for the last 5 laps !

good job he was clever enough to wind his brake bias right back then !

[jamsbong]

Think back with the case of Kimi. In 2008 France, he finish the race with a broken exhaust. In 2005 Nurburgring, he flat spotted his tire so bad that he completely destroyed the suspension from the vibrations. That was a really dramatic moment. I could remember the car was making loud thumping noise from the vibration.

Drivers take risks and sometimes you score while other times you don't. But I don't agree with giving up.

[flynfrog]

Think back with the case of Kimi. In 2008 France, he finish the race with a broken exhaust. In 2005 Nurburgring, he flat spotted his tire so bad that he completely destroyed the suspension from the vibrations. That was a really dramatic moment. I could remember the car was making loud thumping noise from the vibration.

Drivers take risks and sometimes you score while other times you don't. But I don't agree with giving up.

so he should have driven hard to possibly blow up the disk only to finish in the same spot. Racing is not about driving as fast as you can all of the time. Some times it pays to slow down.

[Belatti]

I hope Vettel wins the 2010 championship with a 12 point advantage.

The driver is in no position to decide if it is safe to carry on and at which speed.

Of cuorse he is. And more than anyone.

This is F1, if you want safety go and play chekers.

[ISLAMATRON]

hey, even checkers can get rough sometimes

[rjs]

It wasn't all aero braking, he was relying on engine braking too, which is going to have put extra strain on that engine...

Plus, they got a lot of flack from a safety perspective for sending Mark back out when they knew the brakes were going to fail. I can understand them not wanting to go through that again (or worse, if there was an incident and he needed to use the brakes to avoid hitting someone).

Rj

[autogyro]

The team reacted exactly correctly and so did the drivers.
The problem is the continuing unreliability of the front end on the RB6.
I believe it is because of the bottom mounted calliper and a resulting build up of debris on top of it. This possibly caused some debris to fuze to the disc, which results in higher pad wear.
It also has something to do with the more aggresive driving from Vettel. I think he rides kerbs more and gives the suspension more shock loading, which probably dislodges more debris as well.
Could be a weaker mounting with the calliper at the bottom of the hub, any idea on the math?

[pgj]

It was rumoured that RBR was using a smaller disc on its brakes. Is there any possibility that it is true and we saw/heard the consequences of it?

[autogyro]

It now looks like it could be loose wheel nuts again.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Yea he was definatly using some brakes. Turn 10 without brakes is just plain stupid or a death wish.

Then it is your word against Vettel's.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 50780.html

War der Reifenwechsel danach berechtigt?
Vettel: Wir wollten checken, was da los ist. Als ich wieder auf die Strecke gehe, sagt mir das Team, dass ich das Rennen beenden soll. Ihnen war das Risiko wegen der kaputten Bremse zu groß.

Warum sind Sie der Aufforderung nicht gefolgt?
Vettel: Ich habe am Funk gefragt, ob dass wirklich notwendig ist. Ich könnte ja wenigstens noch langsam zu Ende fahren und zwei, drei Punkte holen.

Und dann?
Vettel: Ich bekam keine Antwort. Also bin ich weiter gefahren. Mitten in der Zielkurve kam dann der Funkspruch: Fahr weiter, aber pass auf. Da wäre es sowieso schon zu spät gewesen. Ich war an der Boxeneinfahrt gerade vorbei.

Wie haben Sie sich dann ins Ziel gerettet?
Vettel: Ich habe die Bremsbalance komplett nach hinten verstellt. Trotzdem waren sie an der Box ganz aufgeregt und haben mich immer wieder ans Langsamfahren erinnert. Da war ich noch mit 1.25er Zeiten unterwegs. Weil ich Alonso sowieso nicht mehr gekriegt hätte und das Polster zu Schumacher groß genug war, bin ich die letzten fünf Runden nur noch auf Ankommen gefahren. Ich habe kein einziges Mal mehr gebremst.

The last five laps I only cruised to the flag because Alonso was gone and the cushion to Schumacher was sufficiently large. I did not brake a single time.

Vettel saying that he didnt use brakes for the final 5 laps is a joke.
He would have been part of the scenery at turn 10's barriers!
The speed through that corner is about 50mph, from 180mph+ to 50mph using aero alone? [-X
He would have lost way more time. WAY MORE TIME