Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[ringo]

I understand it but I doubt that the team enjoys being told off in public, or that Hamilton be so vocal about his displeasure with the teams decisions.

SPEED TV commentators made some good points, and were very negative toward Hamilton:
1) That sort of exchange must take place behind closed doors. Once the garage door goes up, the team must present a united front. Hamilton is developing the reputation as an immature driver.
2) Every driver must be careful what info he reveals to the oppostion during a race.

IMHO opinion, Hamilton has great abilities: call him "The Boss" when he keeps his mouth shut and the car is OK. When things are not going well, he still does not have the maurity to deal with it. That is when I think of him as "The Loss." A great talent is being partially wasted because he has not reached full emotional maturity.

That is very condescending. I don't see the reason for him to play work horse for the team with a muzzle on. It's his job, he can drop his shoulders and let loose some time.
I've seen worse from other drivers on the grid. For example Alonso and Barichello. Never heard anyone telling Alonso to shut up and drive.

He is free to talk, he's the one driving the car and getting the feed back. He's going to be the one bringing home the bacon for the team as well.
His teammate never once yet battled with the 2 top teams this season. Button is languishing in 7th and 8th spot with no answer for the top teams. Calling the man the LOSS, sounds like envy. No way he is a loser after splitting redbulls at barcelona and outclassing the ferraris. Mclaren is blessed to have the BOSS, and i don't think they feel anyway if he gets a little informal with them.
Some of you make it sound like he owes them anything, or that he is passing his place. Calling him small boy and such low things.
He owes them nothing, and can easily leave for redbull or ferrari next year.

What the hell is soft compared to throwing a steering wheel, or not congratulating a teammate when he beats you.

[Rob W]

He has a personal relationship with his engineers, he can talk to them informally. You never said what the hell amongst your friends before?.....

....He was clearly frustrated at the situation and not the team.

The context is more like "what the hell i have to save brakes and race a faster ferrari at the same time!"

+1

Pretty much sums up what I was going to say.

There is nothing in this. He was driving a race car... Things get said on the radio... Not everything always goes to plan... Wow.

[marcush.]

Lewis is passionate at what he is doing ,and if the Mac has brake issues before even half distance ,he is allowed to voice his frustration even if its on air.

I ´d think the same goes for Barrichello... if you just had a big time shunt due to the car giving up on you ,it is unfortunate but understandable to go a little overboard ...it was 2 seconds or something after the car stopped... when he threw out the steering wheel..he surely regretted this the next moment.. --- happens.

[ISLAMATRON]

He will allways be called names because he is two things that their favorite drivers arent.

He is 1: non-white(or is the term "carribean" better xpensive?)
and He is 2: BETTER

[andrew]

He will allways be called names because he is two things that their favorite drivers arent.

He is 1: non-white(or is the term "carribean" better xpensive?)
and He is 2: BETTER

What is it with you and racism? You fishing or something?

You do realise that a white person can dislike a coloured person without being racist.

Now this will confuse you. I don't like Hamilton, but Morgan Freeman is probably my favorite actor. Work that one out!

[ISLAMATRON]

I did not involve your name in my post... merely the person who called Hamilton the "carribean" when he clearly has a British flag next to his name on the car.

Yes I was clearly fishing for someone to call him "the carribean"... tobe honest I typed it for xpensive

and for your personal safety "coloured" is not the appropreiate term, but feel free to come to america and try it out... I think I'll enjoy your posts much more afterwards

[CHT]

I know this is not going to be go very well with most Mclaren/Lewis fans, but after the radion incident yesterday, do you think the Lewis Hamilton will see out his contract with Mclaren?

To me the radio incident was a PR disaster for a company like Mclaren and this is clearly a sign of the fustration building up in Lewis since Australia GP where Button won the race.

My guess is that Ron, through Martin, is going to have a big discussion with Lewis over this radio incident and Lewis being strong headed and without a manager, might not in the best position to make the right decision.

He has a personal relationship with his engineers, he can talk to them informally. You never said what the hell amongst your friends before?
What the hell was not even directed at the engineers, it was directed at the task ahead of him. He knows the engineers at the race can do nothing about the brake duct size or the fact that the brakes are overheating.
He was clearly frustrated at the situation and not the team.

The context is more like "what the hell i have to save brakes and race a faster ferrari at the same time!"
not like "it's a shame really", the team didn't setup my car properly, like what Button does most of the time.

My view is actually quite different

1) Lewis is not out on a friday night having a few pints with his engineers. When he is in the car, he is the ambassador of Mclaren and all the sponsors, hence one should not make such sarcastic remarks of your colleague infront of the public, especially for a team like Mclaren.

2) What the hell obviously sounded much better than WTF, but that not the reason why it bothers me.

3) My interpretation of Lewis statement is as such.

"what the hell, I am only half distant into the race and you are already telling me to be careful with my brakes. Is this a race car?

[CHT]

Lewis is passionate at what he is doing ,and if the Mac has brake issues before even half distance ,he is allowed to voice his frustration even if its on air.

I ´d think the same goes for Barrichello... if you just had a big time shunt due to the car giving up on you ,it is unfortunate but understandable to go a little overboard ...it was 2 seconds or something after the car stopped... when he threw out the steering wheel..he surely regretted this the next moment.. --- happens.

Thats of course. In fact such passionate drivers are always good for the sport. The only question is will it suit the current Mclaren corporate image?

[CHT]

Is this Jenson's way of building the entire team around him? strike while the iron is hot.

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/18227/615 ... e-mistakes

[ringo]

Lewis is passionate at what he is doing ,and if the Mac has brake issues before even half distance ,he is allowed to voice his frustration even if its on air.

I ´d think the same goes for Barrichello... if you just had a big time shunt due to the car giving up on you ,it is unfortunate but understandable to go a little overboard ...it was 2 seconds or something after the car stopped... when he threw out the steering wheel..he surely regretted this the next moment.. --- happens.

Thats of course. In fact such passionate drivers are always good for the sport. The only question is will it suit the current Mclaren corporate image?

Image scrimmage, it's a race team first. Fans who watch the races aren't thinking about stocks and marketting. If anything Lewis' character draws in more for them than any other marketing gimmick.
Corporate image is a weak reason to call the man a spoiled brat or small boy. I don't watch a race with mclaren's reputation in mind. They maintain their image when they win!!
Lewis owes them nothing, he is not an indentured servant of Mclaren.

Anything he does benefits their image. He is making them look better than they are currently, and is doing a hell of a lot more than any Mclaren driver has ever done, when it comes to image and promotion.

I want to see him throw a steering wheel next or tell a former team principal to mind his own business. All these things have been done this year by a certain driver, and it's not hurting redbull one bit.

[ringo]

Is this Jenson's way of building the entire team around him? strike while the iron is hot.

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/18227/615 ... e-mistakes

He can build until there are 2 mclaren tech centres by the pond, then build some more. He cant build more speed or talent. I don't think mclaren will get so comfortable with him that they let the faster driver out the door. He is a nice guy and all, but to let 3 tenths in quali and up to a second in race out the door is a step back.
It's easier to have Lewis put 3 tenths to a second on a car, than it is to spend to build it in after he is gone.

[jon-mullen]

Damn, did anybody notice how far you have to look down the championship standings to find Hamilton's name? I was all like, it's got to be here somewhere, and then I went and grabbed a beverage and did my taxes and kept looking and I was like, "where's it at?", and then I put 260 km on a set of tires cause I'm a badass like that and came back and kept looking and then I was so bored I started watching BASEBALL of all things, and then I was like, "Oh, here it is. 7th. Huh."

No, in all seriousness, the guy's simply insincere. When they catch him in interviews when he's not flustered and he's just come from memorizing whatever Ron's told him, he's all "Oh, my guys this and my guys that" and "I'm tough, I love a good street fight". Catch him on the radio or after a bad result and he's a queen b%@&h. This is the guy who got nervous and lied about something anyone could have disproven. He also said he'd spend his whole career with McLaren, I can't wait to see that one come back to haunt him. He's obviously coming unglued and there weren't many members of this board who thought that Button would be even competing on the same level. I myself said I thought Button would be embarrassed. But here we are. He should have spent a year in a Minardi/STR or the Super Aguri, it might have taught him a thing or two. Instead he's carried on like an entitlement case since day one.

[Remote_Access]

No, in all seriousness, the guy's simply insincere. When they catch him in interviews when he's not flustered and he's just come from memorizing whatever Ron's told him, he's all "Oh, my guys this and my guys that" and "I'm tough, I love a good street fight". Catch him on the radio or after a bad result and he's a queen b%@&h. This is the guy who got nervous and lied about something anyone could have disproven. He also said he'd spend his whole career with McLaren, I can't wait to see that one come back to haunt him. He's obviously coming unglued and there weren't many members of this board who thought that Button would be even competing on the same level. I myself said I thought Button would be embarrassed. But here we are. He should have spent a year in a Minardi/STR or the Super Aguri, it might have taught him a thing or two. Instead he's carried on like an entitlement case since day one.

It's hardly obvious. You're acting as though any sign of emotion signals a mental breakdown which is completely ridiculous.

Surely passion is a strength in this game, no? He drives his car and pushes his team hard and that's just what it takes, and there are many successful people who have the same approach, say in business or so on. Saying 'what the hell' over the radio is hardly the sign of someone 'coming unglued'.

No-one is obliged to like Lewis, but it'd be so much more mature of you to just say 'I don't like Lewis' than to make a fool of yourself trying to psychoanalyse the guy.

As for me I have a ton of respect for the kid, what he has achieved, and how he's going about doing it (pushing as hard as he can, all the time). Quite frankly the day I find he is turning into a nice little puppy dog will be the day that respect starts to wane.

[andrew]

I did not involve your name in my post... merely the person who called Hamilton the "carribean" when he clearly has a British flag next to his name on the car.

Yes I was clearly fishing for someone to call him "the carribean"... tobe honest I typed it for xpensive

and for your personal safety "coloured" is not the appropreiate term, but feel free to come to america and try it out... I think I'll enjoy your posts much more afterwards

It doesn't matter who it was directed at. The post was in a public space for all to read. Stuff like that should be dealt with through PMs or mods.

No fear about me going to America. I'm not planning on going there. And for personal safety? I have no fear. Colour and religion is irrelevant to me as I consider people to be the same the world over.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

He will allways be called names because he is two things that their favorite drivers arent.

He is 1: non-white(or is the term "carribean" better xpensive?)
and He is 2: BETTER

What an absolute farce of a post.
Seems you have a chip on your shoulders about anything anti Hamilton.
Whatever it is, we will go on criticsing whomever we choose and if that means Hamilton being petualnt on the radio(once again) then we will do so. And we will do so without fear of being labelled "racist".
Barrichello was worse, tossing his steering wheel out the car like a spoilt brat.
You gonna label me "ageist" now?

Please calm your racial agendas, they have no place on this discussion.