Alonso full of mistakes.

[speedsense]

I don't see how raikonen comes into this. Raikonen was a bit more consistent, but lets remember it's Alonso's first year with ferrari.

Kimi gave Ferrari the title in his first year in the red car, and the team was going trough quite radical changes back then.

The effects of the exits of Brawn and Todt, hadn't taken effect yet. The previous years work and preparation for the following year where still in the car and in the team.

I question that had Brawn been in place in that year, would Kimi and Ferrari been down 19 points with four races to go?

The "real" Domanecelli era started the season after. The team hasn't been the same since or as dominate...

[segedunum]

When it comes to shambolic, think back to 2008 in Singapore and we saw Ferrari head down the pit lane with the fuel hose behind. Then when they fitted four wet tyres to Kimi Raikkonen on a bone-dry track and you had the poor guy on the radio saying, ‘I can’t drive the car’. They’re completely reverting to type. It is all going back to what it was before Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Michael Schumacher were there.

Heh. As ironic and as rich as I think this is from Mosely, Ferrari's history has been littered with politics, in-fighting and personal doubt. Todt ended up being forced out and Brawn was refused the principal job that he made very clear that he wanted. When you have a winning habit, why change?

Given how far behind they were last year I was sceptical that they could get back to where they were, but they managed to produce a decent car early on this season. However, they now seem to have fallen well behind and it's clearly not just because Massa is struggling.

Interestingly, it's well known that Jean Todt vowed that he would never have Alonso at the team while he was there. I wonder why.

[segedunum]

Everyone will start running the Pirellis while Ferrari will threaten to leave F1 unless they get to run Michilen and the stay puff Michilen man will get him some more WDC's

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84004

[Giblet]

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Do we really need more of these "Is this driver worth arguing about" threads?

[Just_a_fan]

Do we really need more of these "Is this driver worth arguing about" threads?

As the threads seem pretty popular with other forum users, the answer appears to be "yes"

[Just_a_fan]

I don't see how raikonen comes into this. Raikonen was a bit more consistent, but lets remember it's Alonso's first year with ferrari.

Kimi gave Ferrari the title in his first year in the red car, and the team was going trough quite radical changes back then.

Indeed, the same year that Alonso was struggling to deal with a talented rookie elsewhere...


Is Alonso overated? Maybe. He's certainly fragile anyway.

[noname]

The effects of the exits of Brawn and Todt, hadn't taken effect yet. The previous years work and preparation for the following year where still in the car and in the team.

I question that had Brawn been in place in that year, would Kimi and Ferrari been down 19 points with four races to go?

it's not only about preparation (and I agree - the process was heavily influenced by Todt and Brown) but also leading the team during the season (guiding development of the car, strategy, handling the problems, etc.).

it was not Todt or Brown who made 19 points deficit with 4 races to go. we do not know if it would be smaller or bigger but the fact is Domenicalli was leading the team at this point of time, and he was responsible how the preparations for the season were utilized.

[axle]

F1Technical...

Yet another boring thread based on opinion and bashing...woooooo.

[Just_a_fan]

F1Technical...

Yet another boring thread based on opinion and bashing...woooooo.

So, seeing a thread title that is obviously about something you don't want to discuss you felt the need to pop in and post a comment.

Funny things, people...

[ecapox]

We in America like to refer to things such as this thread as "Arm-chair Quarterbacking". Kick people when they are down and when they do good say they are lucky or were "gifted" things.

Has he made mistakes? Yes.
Has he made more mistakes than i would like to see? Yes.

Everyone has their moments. What separates the greats from the goods is how they deal with the negative pressure and rise above. I think Alonso will regain confindence, no question about it. The car is underperforming and that makes things difficult. He is trying to get every last ounce of performance out of the car and because the line between over perform and a complete mess is very thin, he has screwed up.

what makes me cringe, is how off topic a thread can get on here. This is about Alonso. Not about Ferrari as a team. Not about Raikkonen. Not about Ross Brawn. Alonso. Lets stick to criticising his mistakes and bashing him...as stupid as i think that is...

[internetf1fan]

Everyone has their moments. What separates the greats from the goods is how they deal with the negative pressure and rise above. I think Alonso will regain confindence, no question about it.

Look at how many mistakes he has made this season so far. I don't see any "rising above" etc. Sure one mistake or two is ok, but he's had mistake after mistake costing him and team valuable points.

[Giblet]

This thread sucks.

Every single driver makes mistakes anditcould be said are full of them. Unless you have an accurate count of mistakes by driver, not just over a small window of time but their career, then this thread sucks.

[ecapox]

Look at how many mistakes he has made this season so far. I don't see any "rising above" etc. Sure one mistake or two is ok, but he's had mistake after mistake costing him and team valuable points.

1. Monaco
2. False Start
3. Turkey (questionable)

So we have three issues in 6 races and Alonso should go shove his head in the sand and give up? We can now talk about him being washed up and a has-been?

I bet he storms through the field and finishes 4-5 this race...ahead of his teammate.

[Lurk]

I count 7 for Alonso and 8 for Schumacher (7 if we assume "Rascassegate" was a voluntary manoeuvre).

[ISLAMATRON]

Alonso bangs in Petrov, definatly avoidable contact, possibly worthy of a drive thru