Why hamilton is so good at overtaking

[andrew]

The Williams in 2000 wasn't in the same league as the McLaren in 2007. Then there are the years at Benetton and Honda, so no selectivness.

[sAx]

The Williams in 2000 wasn't in the same league as the McLaren in 2007. Then there are the years at Benetton and Honda, so no selectivness.

My point was simply that some rookies join top teams. If you check your facts the Williams BMW combination was easily a top six team, and hence no place for a rook as your argument would suggest.

sAx

[ISLAMATRON]

£2.5 million from an F1 team when your aged 7 sure does help.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE64S0C620100529

Hamilton didnt need to start at a backmarker team because Ron Dennis had the ability to see that he was already a better driver than those drivers in those teams... evidence was him matching the so called 2XWDC. Ron Dennis learned that lesson when he passed on Senna.

Heikki had the same car as Lewis... what did he do with it... jack ---... Heikki had KERS.. do he shine like Lewis? Not in the least.

Button has an F-duct but he cant pass to save his life, sat behind MS while Hamilton was passing a superior Red bull in spain, explain that... was it the old BS excuse of McL favoring Hamilton? J.E.T. you keep talking about points as if they are in any way representative of driver skill. Nico has almost twice as many points as MS, does that mean he is twice as good? Does it even mean he is as good? Points dont mean ---, and neither does Button's 2 lucky wins versus Lewis' 1 lucky win.

[sAx]

£2.5 million from an F1 team when your aged 7 sure does help.

Hamilton didnt need to start at a backmarker team because Ron Dennis had the ability to see that he was already a better driver than those drivers in those teams... evidence was him matching the so called 2XWDC. Ron Dennis learned that lesson when he passed on Senna.

You beat me there too my friend!! I'm sure every Father is able to buy million pound residences in Florida and the Isle of Man, purchase 500 acre golf course in Essex and underwrite the karting career of his two Le Mans driving siblings. Million pound lifestyle did not help them to brake any harder, lap any quicker than those infinitely less blessed!

sAx

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

The Williams in 2000 wasn't in the same league as the McLaren in 2007. Then there are the years at Benetton and Honda, so no selectivness.

My point was simply that some rookies join top teams. If you check your facts the Williams BMW combination was easily a top six team, and hence no place for a rook as your argument would suggest.

sAx

Williams BMW were hardly a good team back then and to compare that with a peachy Mclaren seat is ludicrous!
Hamilton's had it easy and to deny that is to deny the truth.

[shamikaze]

My 2Cents on this is that Lewis had talent and the push inside himself. That (and good support - mgmt of his father) has enabled him to grow faster then most and be noticed by mgr's of top-teams who wanted to invest in his talent. Those are the people that took a risk because for every Lewis, they might have 100 Ralph Schumacher's

[ISLAMATRON]

Yes, you are correct J.E.T. it was so easy for Hamilton to win all those races and Championships, because he is so much more talented than his competitors, and to deny that is to deny the truth.

Hamilton was supported my Dennis/McLaren because of that talent, now you are saying Ron Dennis should have overlooked that talent and put him in a lower team car like Flav did to Alonso.

Hamilton was better in his first year than Alonso in his first year.

Matter of fact Hamilton in his first year was better than Alonso in 2007, why would Ron Dennis waste that talent by placing him in a Minardi or whatever backmarker.

Your attempt to slag Hamilton because Ron Dennis is smarter and has more vision than that idiot Flav has failed.

Next you'll probly try to say Hamilton was helped by affirmative action right?

[sAx]

The Williams in 2000 wasn't in the same league as the McLaren in 2007. Then there are the years at Benetton and Honda, so no selectivness.

My point was simply that some rookies join top teams. If you check your facts the Williams BMW combination was easily a top six team, and hence no place for a rook as your argument would suggest.

sAx

Williams BMW were hardly a good team back then and to compare that with a peachy Mclaren seat is ludicrous!
Hamilton's had it easy and to deny that is to deny the truth.

Think we are talking cross purposes here, not comparing relative merits of MP4 - 2007/Williams BMW - 2000, what we are talking about is top teams, engineering, technology, championship success, etc. On this basis another rookie (Jenson), joined a top team! Basically your own argument, destroys your argument!

sAx

[sAx]

Getting back on topic, I have a video where Anthony Hamilton shows how he use to get Lewis to brake later in his Kart. Antony's view is that Lewis had to make up deficiencies in the Kart's chassis by braking much later than his rivals. In the beginning Lewis was not able to do it and use to fly-off the track more often than not. Eventually he learned and hence why he is so ferocious underbraking. Had he received that 2.5M, he may never have had the need to delve so deeply into his braking technique!!

sAx

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Hamilton was better in his first year than Alonso in his first year.

Next you'll probly try to say Hamilton was helped by affirmative action right?

What kind of a joke comparison is that?
Alonso is a totally different creature to Hamilton. What you are in fact doing is comparing a Minardi to a McLaren which is what they drove in their first year.
Hmmmm not a very fair comparison! *****

As for the affirmitive action comment, why bring politics into a sporting discussion?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Matter of fact Hamilton in his first year was better than Alonso in 2007

As for this trash, no he was not!

SAME POINTS SAME WINS.

Factor in the Mechanical failure alonso suffered in Japan(his only non finish)
to Hamiltons driver error in China(his only retirement of the year) And the picture become very different indeed!
All this in the very public knowledge that all at Mclaren hated Alonso for spilling the beans on spygate....This more than anything makes up for it being Hamiltons first year.

[ecapox]

Getting back on topic, I have a video where Anthony Hamilton shows how he use to get Lewis to brake later in his Kart. Antony's view is that Lewis had to make up deficiencies in the Kart's chassis by braking much later than his rivals. In the beginning Lewis was not able to do it and use to fly-off the track more often than not. Eventually he learned and hence why he is so ferocious underbraking. Had he received that 2.5M, he may never have had the need to delve so deeply into his braking technique!!

sAx

Late braking skills duly noted for Hamilton....although i wouldnt pin his skills on only that trait.

[sAx]

Getting back on topic, I have a video where Anthony Hamilton shows how he use to get Lewis to brake later in his Kart. Antony's view is that Lewis had to make up deficiencies in the Kart's chassis by braking much later than his rivals. In the beginning Lewis was not able to do it and use to fly-off the track more often than not. Eventually he learned and hence why he is so ferocious underbraking. Had he received that 2.5M, he may never have had the need to delve so deeply into his braking technique!!

sAx

Late braking skills duly noted for Hamilton....although i wouldnt pin his skills on only that trait.

For sure, its not just only in the braking zone that he has cunning in racecar craft.

sAx

[ISLAMATRON]

Hamilton was better in his first year than Alonso in his first year.

Next you'll probly try to say Hamilton was helped by affirmative action right?

What kind of a joke comparison is that?
Alonso is a totally different creature to Hamilton. What you are in fact doing is comparing a Minardi to a McLaren which is what they drove in their first year.
Hmmmm not a very fair comparison! One that a Hamilton fan surely concocted!

I am not comparing the McL vs the Minardi... that is what you are doing because you are only capable of using points and wins to judge a driver's talent.

Flav didnt trust Alonso in a midfield Renault and so placed him in a Minardi, that right there shows you that Hamilton was better in his first year because Ron Dennis was willing to entrust him with a top notch seat. Alonso was great in his first year, Hamilton was much better.

And Alonso had no mechanical failure in Japan 2007, well not until he lost the car and then hit the wall... resorting to lies only proves how desperately weak & wrong your position is.

And even with the narrow minded use of only points and wins that you employ Hamilton was better than Alonso in 2007 as he was higher in the final standings, even tied on points Hamilton was higher.

And after Alonso blackmailed the team, the FIA put a (spanish)steward in place to makesure he got equal treatment, and he did and Hamilton still outclassed Alonso. Stop your lies, they make you look silly.

I'm done answering your desperate attempts to slag Hamilton

[roost89]

So, after that excursion from the topic.

I remind you what the topic is: Why is Hamilton so good at overtaking?

Does he know where the edge of the grip is? More-so than others.
How is his car set-up to allow him to initiate and successfully complete the overtake?
How does his style enable him overtake? Be it under breaking or in acceleration.
How does he set up his maneuvers?