Alonso full of mistakes.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

All this shows that, Alonso was simply overrated
and what was the point in spending MILLIONS to get rid of Kimi(the last Ferrari WDC)

Alonso was hailed to be the next Schumy...and look he is barely beating Schumy's lapdog Massa
And all the Alonso fanboys were saying he is the best car developer F1 has ever seen....look at Ferrari now they are the slowest in developing their car

All tifosis should understand that the days like we had with the legend Schumy are one off ....no one will repeat those in the near future ... especially Alonso

What comedy college did you go to?

Can a moderator please lock these threads, they really are of no use and bring the level of debate down to that found on trash like crash.net

[WhiteBlue]

trash.net?

[siskue2005]

All this shows that, Alonso was simply overrated
and what was the point in spending MILLIONS to get rid of Kimi(the last Ferrari WDC)

Alonso was hailed to be the next Schumy...and look he is barely beating Schumy's lapdog Massa
And all the Alonso fanboys were saying he is the best car developer F1 has ever seen....look at Ferrari now they are the slowest in developing their car

All tifosis should understand that the days like we had with the legend Schumy are one off ....no one will repeat those in the near future ... especially Alonso

What comedy college did you go to?

Can a moderator please lock these threads, they really are of no use and bring the level of debate down to that found on trash like crash.net

i was just stating the truth

[ISLAMATRON]

All this shows that, Alonso was simply overrated
and what was the point in spending MILLIONS to get rid of Kimi(the last Ferrari WDC)

Alonso was hailed to be the next Schumy...and look he is barely beating Schumy's lapdog Massa
And all the Alonso fanboys were saying he is the best car developer F1 has ever seen....look at Ferrari now they are the slowest in developing their car

All tifosis should understand that the days like we had with the legend Schumy are one off ....no one will repeat those in the near future ... especially Alonso

Exactly correct, Why is Ferrari falling backwards in developement? They were clearly the 2nd best car in bahrain, 3rd in spain, and now 4th in Turkey? WHERE IS ALONSO'S 6 TENTHS?

And then look at Renault who is doing better than at anytime in the last 2 years with Alonso at the helm... except when they fixed the race at Singapore.

Alonso is a fraud and his plethora of mistakes this year are proof of it.

[alberto222mx]

Is this the right thread to say that Alonso is a manipulative cheating liar?

Any thread is good to say that



Talking seriously, I think he is overrated but is a little unfair judging him because a few mistakes, after all, thanks to the others mistakes he is very close in the fight for the WDC.

[ringo]

Alonso is cool, his fans hurt his reputation because they overrate him. He is in damage control mode. Using his skills to salvage points but not to win races.
The car developer branding looks like a myth now. We can hear him crying out for the car to improve, in the post race comments. But the team is not responding to his calls. It seems his developing skills lie with his politics, more than real technical input.

The competition is so steep this year, that the need for engineering innovation makes driver input development look like a waste of valuable time.

Alonso is in Lewis' position in 2009, but his car is not as bad as the mp4 24. Let's see if he can focus the team and get the car back at the front without making mistakes and using the car's limit as the excuse.

[mx_tifoso]

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Alonso is a fraud and his plethora of mistakes this year are proof of it.

Do you understand that you're no better than the trolls who bash Hamilton with every opportunity that arises? There's no need to talk like that about anyone. As Ringo has said, it has been the "fans" who have made him out to be the amazing developer and what not. I don't grasp the idea of hating someone whom you don't even personally know, or have ever even talked to or met eyes with. Don't forget that he's human, as are the rest of the drivers, and they all make mistakes. It's part of becoming a better person and driver. You live and you learn.

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Alonso is in Lewis' position in 2009, but his car is not as bad as the mp4 24. Let's see if he can focus the team and get the car back at the front without making mistakes and using the car's limit as the excuse.

Well it looks like Ferrari will give less priority to the damn F-duct from now and spread the development over to the rest of the car as they are planning to introduce some "major" upgrades come Valencia. They keep on saying that they need more df but don't do anything about it besides some minor refinements to the diffuser IIRC. It's a rather disappointing picture since they have the resources and potential to be so much better. In a way it's nice to see them struggle because they probably take for granted the capital which some other teams do not have.

[ISLAMATRON]

...Alonso is a fraud and his plethora of mistakes this year are proof of it.

Do you understand that you're no better than the trolls who bash Hamilton with every opportunity that arises? There's no need to talk like that about anyone. As Ringo has said, it has been the "fans" who have made him out to be the amazing developer and what not. I don't grasp the idea of hating someone whom you don't even personally know, or have ever even talked to or met eyes with. Don't forget that he's human, as are the rest of the drivers, and they all make mistakes. It's part of becoming a better person and driver. You live and you learn.

I was not aware that it was his fans and not Alonso that made the famous 6 tenths claim.

Was it also his fans and not Alonso that claimed his Singapore win was legitimate?

I dont disparage him for his nationality, race, his parents being at the race, his girlfriend, or any of the stupid --- that Hamilton bashers bring up.

I just bring up the stupid --- that he does & says(quite often), just like I do to every other driver, including Hamilton.

I dont hate the man, I just think he is a jackass, but extremely great fun to laugh at.

[Giblet]

The 6 tenths is funny sure, but he claimed he brought 6/10ths to Mclaren. Just Mclaren, just that one season.

To be fair, he has never said he brought it back to Renault. He never said he brought it to Ferrari, or Ferrari needed it to be brought. Also, the MP4-21 was not a good car. It never won a single race all season, so I would think those har har knee slapping tenths could have been brought by many competent drivers to the MP4-22.

Continuing to chase something he said for the 2007 season is a bit ridiculous and/or bitter sounding at this much later stage in his career.

I'm not really here to defend Alsonso, as he does much I dislike, but I do think you are grasping at straws a little with the 6/10ths these days.

The current Renault is a car with good potential. Kubica just got here. He has no hand in it's initial speed in pocket. Most of the gravy in that car is due to Alonso's development work. It sure wasn't Piquet's. Singapore was not his only race he won that year.

I feel like I see a different driver than you do, based on results and car dev, but each to his own.

[ISLAMATRON]

I dont care what you say, its still funny,and will allways be

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[Giblet]

I dont care what you say, its still funny,and will allways be

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I agree it's funny, but it's certainly not something based in reality to gauge a driver 3 years later.

[Ray]

Is this the right thread to say that Alonso is a manipulative cheating liar?

As opposed to the dude in your avatar?

[ss.vamsikrishna]

Being an hardcore Kimi Fan, i am enjoying this thread to the maximum...
i do feel sorry for Alonso...but he has to control his ego (superiority complex)
before he starts driving...i think he will post much more better lap times...

[lebesset]

come on guys , let's have a bit of balance here ,,,yes , alonso is overrated , but he is nonetheless a damned good driver , and not deserving of the abuse he is getting here

yes I know he was able to win two WDC thanks to a car with technical advantages over the others , but they then got banned and the team went backwards ...that has been F1 unless you are ferrari , until now it seems

do you think schumacher didn't have technical advantages as well ? or ...well you know what I mean

it seems to me that he believes his own publicity ;if he didn't tell one story to the international press and then another to the spanish press [ or maybe they make it up ? ] he would have more credibility

ferrari started development of the 2010 car early , and that helped early season without doubt , but they seem incapable of keeping up with developments elsewhere ...that's not his fault [ you didn't believe his 6 tenths tale , did you ? ]
the fact that massa is clearly not the driver he was pre-accident [ he would be superhuman if he was ] isn't helping

but he has what napoleon described as the most important thing of all ...he's lucky!
he will be back if he just keeps his head down

[WhiteBlue]

I'm not out to bash Alonso but as most of you know I don't like the guy. Yeah, that's it, full stop. Simply said and truth be told I don't begrudge Fernando a single piece of bad luck.

He is a brilliant driver most of the time, a fair sport and he seems to have his fair share of good luck. One could say that he makes enough good luck for himself by working hard. But it is also true that he makes bad luck by the way he handles his team relationships and the non Spanish media.

Sometimes it is small things that put you off a driver and once you start, it keeps piling up. I remember what bugged me about Alonso the first time. In winter 2004 or 2005 Rossi tested for Ferrari and the dream team worked very hard to pull him in but Montezemolo was fixed on Kimi.

The doctor made a couple of comments about riding and driving which went all the way to Spain and to Alonso's attention. Fernando then made comments that riding isn't rally a big deal or something similar. This bugged the good doctor and he proposed a shootout in F1 cars, Rally cars and on MotoGP bikes. It was all good fun and the fans were absolutely thrilled if the contest had ever happened.

But grumpy Alonso said that it would be a detraction and he had no time for Rossi. He basically copped out. He was asked to defer the thing to the end of the next season but any way the Rossi camp put it to him he would not put his money where his mouth was. So this was the story of how I started to dislike Fernando.

Ever since I have watched his gig go sour wherever he went. When he forced his way into Ferrari by means of a huge wad of Santander cash I was wondering what would go wrong this time. I know it is early days but it could well be that Alonso has hit Ferrari on the down swing. If they continue the way this season went they will go down the slippery slope like a greased pig. I wouldn't actually mind to see Ferrari and Alonso give their best together in that venture.