That is fair, but if too much drivers take a gamble if creates confusion and risk.ISLAMATRON wrote:take a gamble and youwin or lose... isnt that why its called gambling?
Lol, think tank is a nice word for the teams debating club. I hope that they do a good job this time and perhaps read this or similar threads.Autosport wrote:The FIA is aware, however, that the events of Sunday have highlighted several potential problems with the current safety car regulations, and has called an extraordinary meeting of thinktank, the Sporting Working Group, to go through the issues next week ahead of the British Grand Prix.
In my mind that is part of the gamble/strategy. The point is that everyone gets a similar chance. Oh, and you can only pit after the leader has pitted or gone past the pit.timbo wrote:That is fair, but if too much drivers take a gamble if creates confusion and risk.ISLAMATRON wrote:take a gamble and youwin or lose... isnt that why its called gambling?
As we have seen in racing this year most drivers start on option tyre and stop after 1/4-1/3 of the distance. Pitting under a SC at this time, even if you go last creates a viable opportunity to move up the order.
I'm not understanding under what conditions closing the pits would cause confusion or risk... lets say the SC is put out because it suddenly started to rain and that caused an accident,now everybody is stuck behind the SC with the pits closed... that is risky so under that I think the pits could be opened or better yet red flag and switch tires during that, been done before... that is the only time that anyone MUST/really has to change tires... it can be handled ina fair way. BUT all this SC racing/pit stop gambling must end for safetyand fairness sake.timbo wrote:That is fair, but if too much drivers take a gamble if creates confusion and risk.ISLAMATRON wrote:take a gamble and youwin or lose... isnt that why its called gambling?
This should end, nobody should be able to gain places because they were behind the pit opening when the SC came out like Button & Co did... there should never be an advantage for being slower, and an SC period should be all about safety... I actually thought MW could have been dead for a couple seconds there... I'm sure the thought occured to race control as well, they shouldnt have to worry about SC lines and Deltas when they are dealing with something like that. And nodoby should gain an advantage for flying thru an accident scene like Alonso did in Brazil that one year. All this SC foolishness needs to end... close the damn pitstimbo wrote:As we have seen in racing this year most drivers start on option tyre and stop after 1/4-1/3 of the distance. Pitting under a SC at this time, even if you go last creates a viable opportunity to move up the order.
richard_leeds wrote:In my mind that is part of the gamble/strategy. The point is that everyone gets a similar chance.
Well, that is a smart detail. It may change perspective.Oh, and you can only pit after the leader has pitted or gone past the pit.
Islam, I'm agreeing with you fully on closing pits!ISLAMATRON wrote:I'm not understanding under what conditions closing the pits would cause confusion or risk... lets say the SC is put out because it suddenly started to rain and that caused an accident,now everybody is stuck behind the SC with the pits closed... that is risky so under that I think the pits could be opened or better yet red flag and switch tires during that, been done before... that is the only time that anyone MUST/really has to change tires... it can be handled ina fair way. BUT all this SC racing/pit stop gambling must end for safetyand fairness sake.
Once again, totally agree!This should end, nobody should be able to gain places because they were behind the pit opening when the SC came out like Button & Co did... there should never be an advantage for being slower, and an SC period should be all about safety... I actually thought MW could have been dead for a couple seconds there... I'm sure the thought occured to race control as well, they shouldnt have to worry about SC lines and Deltas when they are dealing with something like that. And nodoby should gain an advantage for flying thru an accident scene like Alonso did in Brazil that one year. All this SC foolishness needs to end... close the damn pits
I repeat once again, that there could be situations when going to the back of the pack may not be enough. What if you already was at the back and somebody has to pit after SC leaves?ISLAMATRON wrote:Penalty is going to the back of the pack(if they had a flat they might already be there)...
And how do you neutralize the race? It did not work when we had no safety car either.jason.parker.86 wrote:Ban the safety car! thats the answer!
Some people propose racing under a limiter. But, SC serves not only to reduce speed, but to make a close pack, so that track workers would have a few minutes to restore track to normal state.WhiteBlue wrote:And how do you neutralize the race? It did not work when we had no safety car either.jason.parker.86 wrote:Ban the safety car! thats the answer!
Then how did Button get ahead of Alonso & Massa? all drivers DO NOT have the same chances and can not make the best of it.mep wrote:There is nothing wrong when you can go to to pits during safety car is no unfair thing it's part of the game. All drivers have the same changes and can make the best out of it. For sure pit should never be closed, and nobody should overtake SC, thats all.
But the answer isn't arbitrarily sending people to the back of the grid (or even a lap down as some people propose). All you're doing is replacing some people gaining positions by moving up the grid with some people gaining positions because others are moved down the grid. Either way you have winners and losers and so far none of the proposed solutions appear any better than the current situation, they just shift the potential winners and losers around a bit.ISLAMATRON wrote:Then how did Button get ahead of Alonso & Massa? all drivers DO NOT have the same chances and can not make the best of it.mep wrote:There is nothing wrong when you can go to to pits during safety car is no unfair thing it's part of the game. All drivers have the same changes and can make the best out of it. For sure pit should never be closed, and nobody should overtake SC, thats all.
