Schumacher/Rosberg - the 2010 season unfolds

[myurr]

Bias and stink are things you evidently know alot about, but I digress....What does a 1 time champ have on a 7 time champ?
ARGUMENT OVER

Thing is that comment shows that you are not willing to make an objective comparison of how they are currently performing, you are only interested in reputations. MS has one of the best track records in the business BUT simply is not living up to that reputation with his performances this year.

Frankly in any objective assessment Schumacher has struggled to equal Rosberg this year let alone beat him. This has nothing to do with past achievements and is entirely based on what he is doing THIS year with the tools he has been given. There are many reasons for why that is the case, and it's fine for us to argue about those, but there is no denying that in equal machinery Rosberg has been out performing Schumacher this season.

[ISLAMATRON]

your bias is what stinks around here

Bias and stink are things you evidently know alot about, but I digress....What does a 1 time champ have on a 7 time champ?
ARGUMENT OVER

This year? 2 wins and 93 points(since they are so important to you), not to mention the pole and the podiums

Now please keep this Rosberg/Schumacher related and leave out your idol, as its really irritating to have you keep spoiling threads with your insults to other posters cos they dont agree with you.

Your MS man love and LH hatred is so overwhelming you seem to have forgotten that you were the first to bring up LH in this thread... evidence

Anyway getting this thread BACK ON TOPIC.

The whole comparison will basically boil down to tyre management with the W01.
Schumacher hasnt been totally outclassed and nor has Rosberg.

Both are dealing with a car that is fast, but consumes its tyres too quickly.
Around Monaco you could see the hustle style Schumacher prefers to smooth driving was still there for all to see. Its no co-incidence he outdrove Rosberg that day either.

People can bang on about cars being the same etc, but the characteristics of the cars will certainly suit one over the other.
But the fact remains the car both these drivers use, has a fundamental tyre issue that cannot be resolved by updates or wheel base extensions.
Also, what does a 41 year old 7 time champ need to do in his first 9 races after 3 years out that a 1 time world champ in his prime couldn't last year?
Because Lewis was blitzing everyone last year in the first 9 races right???
Some driver....

how bout you keep it on topic?

[marcush.]

wich is simply NOT true.
Rosberg has lost two times in qualy
he has consistantly done worse in the opening laps and threw away all the advantage he obviously has in qualy.
He has earned himself more points ,but in all fairness you can´t blame schumacher for the loose wheel ,nor for the last corner attack on alonso,wich was triggered by pitwall ,nor for the funny things Merc did in Valencia where he was already in position to a very good result...so to be fair ...he is not showing superior speed compared to rosberg but he shows a lot more racecraft and will to suceed .
Plus he is not bashing the team publicly in a situation were he himself is nailed by the media...

and look at this ...rosberg outdoing the old man ... just lean back and watch the old man.
He sure is past it ...in your dreams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAxsL9Knj4

[Shaddock]

Shaddock

Jock Clear would not be keeping quiet if his man was told to be no2.

No ones going round pinning #1 and #2 badges to their lapels, but at the time of appointment the expectation from the managment team would be clear in their minds.
Martin W. at McLaren even expressed this publicly in LH first year - The trouble is what you expect to happen and maybe want to happen, doesn't always happen, and this is especially true in F1.

[ISLAMATRON]

and look at this ...rosberg outdoing the old man ... just lean back and watch the old man.
He sure is past it ...in your dreams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAxsL9Knj4

I dont see anything special there... he got pass a nearly stationary Petrov(everyone did), and passed two Force Indias that were playing bumper cars and Rosberg who had the better line into the next corner but got stuck behind the 2 battling/bumping force Indias... nothing really earned, just gifted to him.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Myurr

My point is what does a 1 time champion have on a 7 time world champion that continually warrants the comparison?
Heikki and Nico arent compareable drivers, Nico is held in higher regard by more people than Heikki, testament to the fact that Heikki is in a Lotus and Rosberg is in a Mercedes. So to say Lewis beat Heikki is a direct comparsion to Schumacher is a brick short of a load.

[marcush.]

and look at this ...rosberg outdoing the old man ... just lean back and watch the old man.
He sure is past it ...in your dreams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAxsL9Knj4

I dont see anything special there... he got pass a nearly stationary Petrov(everyone did), and passed two Force Indias that were playing bumper cars and Rosberg who had the better line into the next corner but got stuck behind the 2 battling/bumping force Indias... nothing really earned, just gifted to him.

as it happens in every race ....you are bloody ignorant...and biased .
No one else was gifted with these opportunity in the first lap ,all pure luck...
compare places lost and gained since season started in opening lap and you will see the pattern of nothing special and you will see what is earned or gifted to him...

[Shaddock]

Myurr

My point is what does a 1 time champion have on a 7 time world champion that continually warrants the comparison?
Heikki and Nico arent compareable drivers, Nico is held in higher regard by more people than Heikki, testament to the fact that Heikki is in a Lotus and Rosberg is in a Mercedes. So to say Lewis beat Heikki is a direct comparsion to Schumacher is a brick short of a load.

I thought we were comparing Nico and Shumi?

Heikki at McLaren was comparable to Rosberg, he just didn't live up to expectations and his stock sank, hence the move to Lotus. Rosbergs stock is rising with the solid performances he has put in this year.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

This year? 2 wins and 93 points(since they are so important to you), not to mention the pole and the podiums

Yea because being a 7 times WDC is all about the first half of 2010.

And whichever way you spin it bruv, you cannot handle the fact that ok, Schumacher may look average, but he is looking average with at 41, with a bloody fast team mate, a not so good car and after 3 years out.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Myurr

My point is what does a 1 time champion have on a 7 time world champion that continually warrants the comparison?
Heikki and Nico arent compareable drivers, Nico is held in higher regard by more people than Heikki, testament to the fact that Heikki is in a Lotus and Rosberg is in a Mercedes. So to say Lewis beat Heikki is a direct comparsion to Schumacher is a brick short of a load.

I thought we were comparing Nico and Shumi?

Heikki at McLaren was comparable to Rosberg, he just didn't live up to expectations and his stock sank, hence the move to Lotus. Rosbergs stock is rising with the solid performances he has put in this year.

Sorry the boundries blurred to the chap in the back that keeps banging on about how BAD Schumacher is.

[myurr]

My point is what does a 1 time champion have on a 7 time world champion that continually warrants the comparison?

And my point is that past achievement means absolutely zip for direct comparison of current performance, particularly after a 3 years break following retirement. To suggest otherwise means that you want to bias the comparison based on how good someone USED to be.

Heikki and Nico arent compareable drivers, Nico is held in higher regard by more people than Heikki, testament to the fact that Heikki is in a Lotus and Rosberg is in a Mercedes. So to say Lewis beat Heikki is a direct comparsion to Schumacher is a brick short of a load.

The point I was trying to make is that Lewis has equalled Alonso in his rookie year (the only driver on the grid to have currently beaten Schumacher to a world championship), has beaten Heikki outright over two seasons, and is now beating Button the current world champion.

In THIS season by way of comparison, Schumacher is underperforming and being beaten by his team mate. He's not beating his team mate, he's not equalling him, he's not even been close in more races than not, and has only one third of the points of his team mate - a rather poor comparison against someone in equal machinery.

[ISLAMATRON]

and look at this ...rosberg outdoing the old man ... just lean back and watch the old man.
He sure is past it ...in your dreams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAxsL9Knj4

I dont see anything special there... he got pass a nearly stationary Petrov(everyone did), and passed two Force Indias that were playing bumper cars and Rosberg who had the better line into the next corner but got stuck behind the 2 battling/bumping force Indias... nothing really earned, just gifted to him.

as it happens in every race ....you are bloody ignorant...and biased .
No one else was gifted with these opportunity in the first lap ,all pure luck...
compare places lost and gained since season started in opening lap and you will see the pattern of nothing special and you will see what is earned or gifted to him...

There is a clear difference between something earned and something gifted, compare that MS's start where he was gifted 4 positions to LH's in Turkey who although he outqualled SV for P2 was forced to start on the dirty side yet still passed SV on the first lap, that was earned and not gifted, LH passing MW was gifted again because MW was on the dirty side, MS passing JB in Turkey was again because of the dirty side situation where as JB re passing MS was an outright racing move.

Its easy for MS to have alot of first lap passes when he cant get his old ass out of Q2

[RH1300S]

and look at this ...rosberg outdoing the old man ... just lean back and watch the old man.
He sure is past it ...in your dreams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAxsL9Knj4

That's a class opening lap =D>

Nonetheless, so far this year young Nico has proved quicker than Michael and has also failed to keep that advantage in some races.

Personally I don't think that Schumacher is/was such a great DRIVER purely from a car control point of view. Certainly he was very special and certainly head and shoulders better than some people he has been up against.

Much of Schumachers past advantage has been due to his sheer hard work in testing, then applying that ruthlessly on track. Add a car advantage (won through a great team and hard work from driver and team) to a top drawer driver and you get a multiple World Champion.

Now remove one part of that equation (testing) and you get someone who is struggling to look great amongst a very talented crop of drivers.

[ISLAMATRON]

This year? 2 wins and 93 points(since they are so important to you), not to mention the pole and the podiums

Yea because being a 7 times WDC is all about the first half of 2010.

And whichever way you spin it bruv, you cannot handle the fact that ok, Schumacher may look average, but he is looking average with at 41, with a bloody fast team mate, a not so good car and after 3 years out.

Who cares how many WDC he had when not having proper competition? right now MS is having his ass handed to him by someone who has not even won 1 race, compare that to a rookie who blew away a 2XWDC... MS is done(as a top flight driver, he's still good enough for the midfield)

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Yea right who cares.

Not good enough for Midfield? Tell Alonso that in Monaco.

You gripe about the slightest criticism of Hamilton, who hasnt yet earned the right to be classified as a great, yet call some posters retarded in their defence of a genuine great(some gall you have there, rightly deleted).
Where is the logic?

Friendly bit of advice
May I suggest you keep off any non-Hamilton threads as you cant play the victim and yelp racism the moment you are proved wrong.