this "nursing" thing is getting boring. I want see sprinting for the whole race distance.
nursing is for lactating baby mamas. Bring back refuelling!
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After 3 races, we get the point. We see all the values and strategies, every driver and their granies can drive a car slow, then speed up when needed.dumrick wrote:I like the new rules on fuel. Makes the racing easier to understand and values the strategic qualities and adaptation skills of the driver, instead of those of the team.
The irony is that refueling is more fuel efficient. The car is close to it's minimum weight at any given time. Meaning less load on the engine and tyres, and less fuel burned.mep wrote:Yes I want refuelling back.
It adds a big factor of strategy to the races making the races more difficult and less predictable. Racing should be the science to find the fastest way to cover a distance in shortest time. If you do so with refuelling a car -fine do so. There is nothing wrong with passing a car in pits. In fact it's even more exciting. It takes the whole race instead of just a few seconds. What can be better than a perfect strategy with several pit stops and all the possible problems and kilometres to work out in the end by just a few tents of a second?
Not a on track overtaking manoeuvre especially because they usually only work because the leading car is much slower and the driver making a mistake.
Btw. When there is refuelling I don’t care about some drivers saving fuel others will push hard. In the end the one wins who had the better tactic.
Don’t turn F1 into a fuel save challenge. If you like this why you don’t watch some shell-eco challenge then? They try to run as far possible with 1 liter of fuel. You see it’s totally different definition of racing:
As fast as possible vs as far as possible.
Do I always have to do the footwork? I give you a list of sources citing FOTA, journalists briefed by FOTA in detail, Gilles Simon of the FiA, Norbert Haug Mercedes, Amadeo Felisa Ferrari and Mark Gallagher Cosworth. You can find all the figures and technical concepts there. Do not expect me to extract it all word by word.xpensive wrote:But that doesn't mean squat WB, it's just F1T "Engineers" typical speculations!
How typical of you. First you ask for sources. I give you a thread where you can find them for yourself. Next you deny that the information is there. I go back and extract it for you for easy digestion. And you have the gall to call me an assho!e. Have a look at yourself, I would be shamed to the bone if I would behave like you. I let the board make their own conclusions who helps the learning process and who doesn't.xpensive wrote:Most people frequent F1T in order to learn a thing or two, but you are here for the sole reason of proving your point of view, the above is a perfect xample of how far you are prepared to go just to be right!
The BMEP of an F1 isn't that much higher than a road car engine. Remember there are many ways of measuring the efficiency of an engine, which is something many people on here tend to forget.Just_a_fan wrote:There is also the point, that F1 fails to make often enough, and that is quite simply that F1 engines are pretty efficient as it is. Certainly much more so than road car engines.
There are practical limits to how efficient the internal combustion engine can become anyway. That's got nothing to do with the rules and everything to do with chemistry and combustion physics.
Very interesting. See this thread:JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:tok-tokkie wrote:I much prefer it as it is now. Much better idea of who is where. Short fueling & having to economise is an interesting tactical contest. The proposed Le Mans regulations are even better.
What are they Tok-Tokkie???
Its definitely arguable if there is more excitement with or without pitstops. For me it definetely is much better with them. The pitstop itself should be pure excitement especially for new fans. Just think about the stop itself:Ffans want to see cars going full bore. Strategy sounds good and everything, but it doesn't sell tickets or increase the spectacle. Only long time fans want to see strategy because we want something different now and again, but new fans don't care for that so much as they care for on track excitement. Strategy is not something that can be seen, so much so, the drivers themselves often don't know where they are in relation to other drivers on track in terms of stops and who has to pit or who has to save fuel.
This is why American sports, hard to admit, tend to be more marketable. They put the sensationalism first and foremost.
What you describes has nothing to do with racing. The driver practically is an object most of the time. This is artificial drama which is only introduced to mask the fact that the cars and tyres are unfit for proper racing. I'm pretty sure this is not what the majority of fans want to see. They want to see Hamilton, Vettel, Webber, Alonso, Massa, Button, Kubica, Sutil, Kobayashi and the rest dice it out on track. I do not remember that one race thread on this board has been about a pit stop this year. It was all about Schumacher and Alonso in Monaco, Webber and Vettel in Turkey, Alonso, Kubica, Schumacher, Vettel, Massa and Sutil in Canada, more on track action in Silverstone and Hockenheim. Unless a team manipulates a stop to bring one driver ahead of another stops are boring and deserve no discussion here.mep wrote:A few laps before the stop the driver pusses as hard as possible with a light car and wastes his tires. Then entering the pits as fast as possible and getting exactly the speed limit on the white line. The driver has to stop perfectly between his crew. The car gets around 60 litres of fuel pumped in within a few seconds meanwhile all the tires get changed. Remember all the trouble that can happen there. Fuel rig can get stuck, fuel can get spilled, tires can get stuck. Then the driver must get of the spot as fast as possible on the slippery pit surface without stalling the car. On the exit he has to mind the white line but then fight directly against other cars who are lighter and have their tires on optimum temperature.
Reminds me of those special talents of that German driver, what's his name again? Michael something...WhiteBlue wrote:What you describes has nothing to do with racing. The driver practically is an object most of the time. This is artificial drama which is only introduced to mask the fact that the cars and tyres are unfit for proper racing.mep wrote:A few laps before the stop the driver pusses as hard as possible with a light car and wastes his tires. Then entering the pits as fast as possible and getting exactly the speed limit on the white line. The driver has to stop perfectly between his crew. The car gets around 60 litres of fuel pumped in within a few seconds meanwhile all the tires get changed. Remember all the trouble that can happen there. Fuel rig can get stuck, fuel can get spilled, tires can get stuck. Then the driver must get of the spot as fast as possible on the slippery pit surface without stalling the car. On the exit he has to mind the white line but then fight directly against other cars who are lighter and have their tires on optimum temperature.