Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[Pierce89]

Most people on this forum love Hamilton (well because most people on this forum are from the UK, the USA or from Australia which heavily favors him just because you hear about him more and you can get to know him on a personal level...

That's BIAS.

The few F1 fans we have in the USA pretty much dislike Hamilton including myself. Forza Ferrari!!!, Forza Fernando!!!

[PlatinumZealot]

I liked hamilton before he got to F1, but the "BIAS" that we hear so much about is what put me off of supporting him.

The 2007/08 F1 coverage changed during this period, from a biweekly sports-cast to the Lewis Hamilton road show ... I found it quite sickening and found it very difficult to be pleased when he got his championship.

We aren't all the media-led zombies that the "british press bias" argument implies and I resent the accusation that it could manipulate me in such a blatant way : if the media concensus didn't sway my opinion of the Iraq invasion (at a time when dissent was VERY unpopular) then I doubt that my thoughts on a driver will be anything other than MINE.

So you let the media influence your view of the drivers then. Just like how the media made Vettel out to be the nicest guy in 2008 and 2009, and all the viewrs just loved him!

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

N smikle,

did you not post on the "I support Not-Alonso" thread calling Alonso "teflonso"?
Not media biased there where you?

[gridwalker]

I liked hamilton before he got to F1, but the "BIAS" that we hear so much about is what put me off of supporting him.

The 2007/08 F1 coverage changed during this period, from a biweekly sports-cast to the Lewis Hamilton road show ... I found it quite sickening and found it very difficult to be pleased when he got his championship.

We aren't all the media-led zombies that the "british press bias" argument implies and I resent the accusation that it could manipulate me in such a blatant way : if the media concensus didn't sway my opinion of the Iraq invasion (at a time when dissent was VERY unpopular) then I doubt that my thoughts on a driver will be anything other than MINE.

So you let the media influence your view of the drivers then. Just like how the media made Vettel out to be the nicest guy in 2008 and 2009, and all the viewrs just loved him!

Nah, I have liked Vettel ever since I went to Wembley Stadium and watched him carry a failing Schumacher through to win the Nations Cup at the 2007 Race of Champions.

It is my opinion that the abrasive media polish has since taken the lustre from his natural shine.

[ringo]

Most people on this forum love Hamilton (well because most people on this forum are from the UK, the USA or from Australia which heavily favors him just because you hear about him more and you can get to know him on a personal level...

That's BIAS.

The few F1 fans we have in the USA pretty much dislike Hamilton including myself. Forza Ferrari!!!, Forza Fernando!!!

America is a very big country, i don't know how accurate that statement is.
Hamilton is also more able to have more public awareness than any driver if he feels.
He can use his pussycat dolls girlfriend, his Reebok sponsorship, or his many allegiances with famous American entertainers. Do couple appearances on late night tv etc.
Come the US GP, you'll see how fast he converts your anti hamilton friends.


Ron will probably bring a couple MP4 12Cs over for the next US GP. Hamilton's driving will get him some sales.

[Mr Alcatraz]

Most people on this forum love Hamilton (well because most people on this forum are from the UK, the USA or from Australia which heavily favors him just because you hear about him more and you can get to know him on a personal level...

That's BIAS.

The few F1 fans we have in the USA pretty much dislike Hamilton including myself. Forza Ferrari!!!, Forza Fernando!!!

America is a very big country, i don't know how accurate that statement is.
Hamilton is also more able to have more public awareness than any driver if he feels.
He can use his pussycat dolls girlfriend, his Reebok sponsorship, or his many allegiances with famous American entertainers. Do couple appearances on late night tv etc.
Come the US GP, you'll see how fast he converts your anti hamilton friends.


Ron will probably bring a couple MP4 12Cs over for the next US GP. Hamilton's driving will get him some sales.

I think Ferrari is much more popular in "The Home of the Brave" than McLaren. Really informed followers of F1 are probably split down the middle.
I'm a big Ferrari "Honk", and am partial to Fred. (Did I mention I'm American?)
To be objective I think there was so much of this look how good he is in his first season he will mature and be untouchable mentality that turned me off. He has started to mature and I've really warmed to him because I recognize the talent, and he also has given me less reason to be critical. It's not an either or proposition for me I really like them both. I will be very surprised if The Boss reaches anything even minutely, close to the celebrity status that he has in England, or for that matter Fred in Spain. I live in Southern California, and very few people I talk to have any clue who either one of them are. And contrary to what some people may think Nicole is no great shakes out here either!

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

England is the centre of the world! Didnt you know?

Its amuses me no end to hear brits talk of American stupidity, yet half cannot name the British Prime Minister.
Alonso is there to be vilified by the British media, he is the ying to Hamiltons yang.

The unfortunate thing here is that Britain has very powerful press that can influence other european news agencies. Think BBC and Rupert Murdoch, whos global influence cannot be underestimated.
In the end, informed fans know that its not as polarised as has been made out. Too much tripe has been spilled on this, and you can bet there are hundreds of journos sharpening their pencils ready to write more "stories", many of them tall ones.

[ringo]

I think Ferrari is much more popular in "The Home of the Brave" than McLaren. Really informed followers of F1 are probably split down the middle.
I'm a big Ferrari "Honk", and am partial to Fred. (Did I mention I'm American?)
To be objective I think there was so much of this look how good he is in his first season he will mature and be untouchable mentality that turned me off. He has started to mature and I've really warmed to him because I recognize the talent, and he also has given me less reason to be critical. It's not an either or proposition for me I really like them both. I will be very surprised if The Boss reaches anything even minutely, close to the celebrity status that he has in England, or for that matter Fred in Spain. I live in Southern California, and very few people I talk to have any clue who either one of them are. And contrary to what some people may think Nicole is no great shakes out here either!

I'm not british either, i'm from the Caribbean.
You could say for most F1 fans in the Caribbean he's the most liked driver, next to shumacher i guess.

Who knows what the south americans like, ferrari? And maybe their drivers are Massa and Barichello. I don't know if they like Alonso very much after the german GP.

Mclaren isn't as big in the US, or Canada, as the name ferrari, but look how many fans Hamilton converted already in Canada?

The funny thing is i like Ferrari as a team more than Mclaren. The culture is better. So i'm split down the middle for both teams and drivers.

[ringo]

What is hamilton going to do now?
He doesn't have to worry about his teammate now, but he has to worry about the other teams. 7 races left and Mclaren doesn't have the car to win races.
He can't drive the car faster than it can go, and he can't influence the engineers to make it faster without regards to drive-ability, since button has to drive the car as well.

What can he do, accept that he can't win this year?

[Miguel]

What can he do, accept that he can't win this year?

I think he can still do it. Monza is a clear McLaren track. You may wonder about Spa and its famous sector 2. Nevertheless, remember how well the Force India fared here last year... and that was mostly thanks to their top speed. Other teams may have the F-duct, but no one has it as good as McLaren.

In the polar opposite are both Singapore and Suzuka. If Red Bull don't get a 1-2 here, something funny must have happened. Of these, however, Singapore has tended to let driver qualities fluorish. Both Hamilton and Alonso should do great here, even though the extreme bumpiness of the track should harm the McLarens.

I've got mixed feelings with respect to Interlagos. F-duct should be important, but again a bumpy S2 should be difficult for this year's bouncy McLaren.

I've got no clue about Korea, and I feel Abu Dhabi should be quite close between the top three teams. Add to this mix some Red Bull fireworks, and well, I think that Hamilton does have a chance. It won't be easy, though.

PS: Of the top 5, I'd say Button is actually the one with the worst odds of becoming WDC. Shares car with Hamilton and has two Red Bull drivers ahead.

[ajams]

What can he do, accept that he can't win this year?

PS: Of the top 5, I'd say Button is actually the one with the worst odds of becoming WDC. Shares car with Hamilton and has two Red Bull drivers ahead.

Hamilton is quoted in the UK press today saying his title hopes are 'hanging by a thread'.

Personally I think it's still fairly open - Red Bull are unlikely to have as much of an advantage again this season as they did in Hungary, and for me Alonso and Hamilton are clearly the best two drivers out there at the moment and both are in great form.

I don't give Button much chance, I think he needs the car to be better in order to compete. Hamilton will usually find a way to overcome the car's deficiencies and force his way into the top 4 or 5 somehow.

[rifrafs2kees]

Most people on this forum love Hamilton (well because most people on this forum are from the UK, the USA or from Australia which heavily favors him just because you hear about him more and you can get to know him on a personal level...

That's BIAS.

The few F1 fans we have in the USA pretty much dislike Hamilton including myself. Forza Ferrari!!!, Forza Fernando!!!

Whatever, I'm stateside and I like him. I bet u his cocky attitude isn't much of a problem with people here...afterall, this is the land of arrogance. Other than schumi, I bet u more americans know about Hamilton than Alonso.

[rifrafs2kees]

England is the centre of the world! Didnt you know?

Its amuses me no end to hear brits talk of American stupidity, yet half cannot name the British Prime Minister.
Alonso is there to be vilified by the British media, he is the ying to Hamiltons yang.

The unfortunate thing here is that Britain has very powerful press that can influence other european news agencies. Think BBC and Rupert Murdoch, whos global influence cannot be underestimated.
In the end, informed fans know that its not as polarised as has been made out. Too much tripe has been spilled on this, and you can bet there are hundreds of journos sharpening their pencils ready to write more "stories", many of them tall ones.

JET, it's the same story in the States. Some people can't even identify Canada on a map.

[Just_a_fan]

England is the centre of the world! Didnt you know?

It is in the world of F1. The vast majority of the grid is based in England and / or sourced from England. Even Ferrari source significant bits from England.

And for those in other parts of the UK - yes, I mean England here rather than Britain because the majority of the UK's motorsport industry is based in England. Yes, there are bits in Scotland and Wales but not much compared to England.

It does amuse me when people wander over to the UK from other countries (for work or education) and then spend their time vilifying the place. You don't like it and its ways? Bugger off somewhere else!

Its amuses me no end to hear brits talk of American stupidity, yet half cannot name the British Prime Minister.

Got a source for that stat?

Alonso is there to be vilified by the British media, he is the ying to Hamiltons yang.

The reverse is probably true in Spain...

The unfortunate thing here is that Britain has very powerful press that can influence other european news agencies. Think BBC and Rupert Murdoch, whos global influence cannot be underestimated.

That's got the beginnings of a conspiracy theory; if you play it right you could have the world believing it by Christmas...

In the end, informed fans know that its not as polarised as has been made out. Too much tripe has been spilled on this, and you can bet there are hundreds of journos sharpening their pencils ready to write more "stories", many of them tall ones.

Now on that we can all agree I'm sure. The media try to stir up issues because controversies sell.

[vall]

I was wondering if LH's stupid move last weekend was out frustration that he was beaten by Button in the quali?