Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[raymondu999]

Well in Valencia and Silverstone he lost a bit of front wing, as he did in his move on Massa in Australia.

[ringo]

Jenson has been brushing other cars from the get go as well. Equally as Hamilton, but only less on the edge. His brushings has lost him many places too.
He got away with australia still; brushing Alonso. He brushed Kubica at spa, subsequently damaging his car to the point Vettel could catch him.
He brushed in Monza, losing some parts of his car, contributing to his loss of the win.
He brushed Hamilton in Turkey, not a big problem there, since he would go on to finish second.
It goes to show how frequently these things happen, even with a clean driver as button.

Remember last year we were all predicting how many front wings would break off in the first turn, due to the wings being so much wider than in 2008? The same wide wings are on the car and the drivers still can't see them.

[marcush.]

honestly speaking you can´t see the bumper on your car as well but you don´t need a new one every other day..
you have to be aware just where the outer perimeter of your car is and drive within these limits ...just.

[rfs]

Hard luck for Lewis. Webber had the inside, he had the outside, there wasn't enough room and bam. I really thought Lewis was gonna take this championship but Alonso has all the momentum now.

[zmiles2]

Im a Lewis fan for sure, so today really makes me mad. Neither Lewis nor Webber's fault, but just not the result I was wanting to see. I'm not against Alonso at all, but I really dont want to see Ferrari win a championship.
Lewis and Jenson will come back more focused than ever in the nexxt 4 Grands Prix.

[Dragonfly]

In view of the final outcome it's more Lewis's fault, I mean he should be more careful at this stage of the season. There were many laps to the end yet.

[lebesset]

no way is anyone going to win the drivers championship in the mcLaren by being cautious

correct tactics by lewis , but out of luck

[Just_a_fan]

no way is anyone going to win the drivers championship in the mcLaren by being cautious

correct tactics by lewis , but out of luck

Indeed so. That was just about the only chance Hamilton had of passing Webber on that track. He saw an opportunity and went for it. That's what racing drivers are supposed to do. Webber's job was to defend which he did. I think both could have given the other a touch more room but then I'm sat on a comfy sofa not in a racing beast under lights suffering from the heat and humidity.

I'm a Hamilton fan so I was annoyed to see him go out - especially as it's probably killed his title chances. He was unlucky in the contact - it could just as easily have gone the other way with Webber suffering the DNF.

That's life.

[rfs]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87004

"I'm not going to think specifically about the world championship right now, I'm just going to try to enjoy the rest of the season - and whatever happens happens. But I'll keep fighting to the end, because it's the only way I know."

It sounds sort of like he's given up. But it could also mean he'd be going to Suzuka with less pressure on himself than usual, with a competitive car. I think he can win at Suzuka.

[ringo]

In view of the final outcome it's more Lewis's fault, I mean he should be more careful at this stage of the season. There were many laps to the end yet.

You can't be serious.
Being more careful is even worse, almost like sitting down watching someone else walk away with the championship.
If he sat down behind webber today, then sat down behind him in suzuka, and the rest, he simply has no chance of winning.

Going for the pass was the best option and it worked. It was way after the pass, that Webber rammed him.
Webber was probably still flustered after being overtaken, desperate to hold position then braked too late.
Sutil and Kubica overtake is the best example of how a situation like that should go down. Hamilton was not wrong, just unlucky.

[Carmack]

In view of the final outcome it's more Lewis's fault, I mean he should be more careful at this stage of the season. There were many laps to the end yet.

I support Hamilton on this. If you wonder where he'd been with careful driving, look at Massa tonight. Hulkenberg did so many mistakes but Massa never came close to overtake him. He was just cruising around.
If you want to win the championship, you obviously have to push, and with Webber being in front of him in the points, it's pretty obvious what your goal is; being in front of him.

[graham_hill_fan]

In view of the final outcome it's more Lewis's fault, I mean he should be more careful at this stage of the season. There were many laps to the end yet.

You can't be serious.
Being more careful is even worse, almost like sitting down watching someone else walk away with the championship.
If he sat down behind webber today, then sat down behind him in suzuka, and the rest, he simply has no chance of winning.

Going for the pass was the best option and it worked. It was way after the pass, that Webber rammed him.
Webber was probably still flustered after being overtaken, desperate to hold position then braked too late.
Sutil and Kubica overtake is the best example of how a situation like that should go down. Hamilton was not wrong, just unlucky.

Yes, you should look at Kubica overtaking maneuver at the same place - while on the outside, he left room for the other guy, rather than cutting into him like Hamilton did! Hamilton was half a car length ahead abut Weber had the inside and it's preposterous to assume that he'll yield in that situation. A clear mistake by an arrogant, immature driver who expects everyone to get out of his way.

[ringo]

You must be seeing what you want to see, Kubica would have crashed into sutil and spin.
Watch the video again, if sutil drove like Webber Kubica's race would have ended.
Sutil's front wing was literally a cm from being entangled in Kubica's rear wheel.

What you also seem to be forgetting is the cars involved.
Renault on fresh tyres vs Force india on old tyres. Faster car vs slower car on slower tyres.

Then you have in Lewis' case Slower car hard cooled tyres vs half a second a lap faster RedBull on the same tyres. No comparison

Kubica is no example, his passes were pretty easy, the other drivers weren't interested in fighting him and it's the same reason Sutil yielded.

Someone put up a video or gif.

[graham_hill_fan]

You must be seeing what you want to see, Kubica would have crashed into sutil and spin.
Watch the video again, if sutil drove like Webber Kubica's race would have ended.
Sutil's front wing was literally a cm from being entangled in Kubica's rear wheel.

What you also seem to be forgetting is the cars involved.
Renault on fresh tyres vs Force india on old tyres. Faster car vs slower car on slower tyres.

Then you have in Lewis' case Slower car hard cooled tyres vs half a second a lap faster RedBull on the same tyres. No comparison

Kubica is no example, his passes were pretty easy, the other drivers weren't interested in fighting him and it's the same reason Sutil yielded.

Someone put up a video or gif.

Exactly right - "Kubica would have crashed into sutil and spin" which is what Hamilton has actually done!

I don't see Sutil doing anything differently from Weber - they were both squeezed in and HELD their position. The difference is what the other driver did - Kubica staying outside, Hamilton cutting inside!

[ringo]

Did you watch the race? I need a video clip. Sutil untangled his front wing.
Even the bbc commentary said that Sutil yielded.
So this is why i said it is exaclt the same thing but worse in Kubica's case.
Kubica was more bullish than Hamilton; in fact he gave less room.
Hamilton never tangled with Webber like Kubica did to Sutil. Hamilton was simply rammed.

Also consider that the redbull is much faster, brakes later, and it seems the rbr drivers don't do so well judging braking distances against other cars.

Hamilton was not desperate today, just unlucky. Don't try to pin any blame on the guy.

Next best thing for Lewis is to avoid Webber and Massa. These 2 have issues.