Mercedes GP MGP W01

[NewtonMeter]

You couldn't just post a link?

And how will the wheelbase be extended if the gearbox casing is shortened? Will the suspension change more than make up for that or was it a typo?

Just for reference the reason they want to extend the wheelbase FORWARDS (by means of wishbone redesign) is to get a more rearward weight distribution.

One can get the same result by moving the rear wheels forwards as well. In this case by a modified (shorter) gearbox casing.

[wesley123]

Yes and thanks for it but you are the only one.
I always think there is some secret agreement not to react on my posts.
Seems like this society has not contacted you yet.

excuse me for going off topic but, You do not have to feel like there is no secret agreememnt. I can understand how you feel, you put in alot of work on your post expecting to add something to the subject, adding a new debate. Well, some post simply render people speechless, you can hardly say anything on a post when you have nothing to say about can you?;) There really is nothing against you, such things happen sometimes and you shouldnt be bothered about it, afterall you are here for your fun or to learn something.

[PlatinumZealot]

Has anybody read my above post
I expect some reactions on this.
When I write Alonso is a cheater I cause several pages of reactions and that even is a proven fact.

I don't know what to say to those alleged preliminary plans to implement the F-duct, but I just saw the On-board video of Michael shumacher's Q3 run in Suzuka and I think it can be confirmed that the Mercedez F-duct is indeed a passive system. In the Video Michael never once placed his hands over any hole. In-fact you can only see the map stickers on the sides of the cockpit no space for any F-duct signal hole. I was even tried to watch his legs but I couldn't really make out any weird movements.

[marcush.]

Yes and thanks for it but you are the only one.
I always think there is some secret agreement not to react on my posts.
Seems like this society has not contacted you yet.

apologies there..but I ´m not going to insult 747h by just repeating his stance when he said in better words what I would have tried to say and even was beating me to post it..

so I add my +1 to at least set the record to two reactions...

[siskue2005]

Has anybody read my above post
I expect some reactions on this.
When I write Alonso is a cheater I cause several pages of reactions and that even is a proven fact.

I don't know what to say to those alleged preliminary plans to implement the F-duct, but I just saw the On-board video of Michael shumacher's Q3 run in Suzuka and I think it can be confirmed that the Mercedez F-duct is indeed a passive system. In the Video Michael never once placed his hands over any hole. In-fact you can only see the map stickers on the sides of the cockpit no space for any F-duct signal hole. I was even tried to watch his legs but I couldn't really make out any weird movements.

maybe using his knee? its not easy to see the knee movement, coz i tied to spot that in Lewis's Australian video...and i didnt see anything

[earlrue]

To me it seems pretty obvious that MGP completely switched focus onto development work for the coming seasons.

MS is doing only development work for ´11, so all FP's and even races are used as tests.

NR is still getting tiny but pure ´10 performance updates in order to keep the CCS points dripping in.

DD's & F-duct will be banned. Proximity wing is still on the table. So in the position of MGP - the more you can work on creative solutions for next year, the better. Their rear wing together with the low airbox is a hint for their planned path for the future.

We know since quite a while that MGP's F-duct is passive. This can be of an advantage next year. I am sure they are working to transfer some solutions into next years - from an aero-rules point of view more simple - car. Teams that are still putting ressources into F-duct and DD development at this late stage in the CS will have to catch up during winter break.

Really, why sould MGP still invest ressources to cure an ill-born car at this late stage? Recent history shows that teams fighting to the end of the CS have a hard time to stay on top the follwing season, especially with more tweaks and changes to the rules coming through. That's the big chance for teams willing to write off the ongoing season early enough and instead leapfrog all competitors with tried, tested and amended development.

[MikeFromCanada]

Recent history shows that teams fighting to the end of the CS have a hard time to stay on top the follwing season, especially with more tweaks and changes to the rules coming through. That's the big chance for teams willing to write off the ongoing season early enough and instead leapfrog all competitors with tried, tested and amended development.

While you have a point about placing the majority of resources on this years car and not focusing on next years, that is really only a major issue when there is a substantial/radical change in the regulations from one year to the other (i.e 2008 to 2009). Next year, though some important changes are required, will be more evolutionary and revolutionary. Though granted, a team like Merc will likely design a new car rather than evolve the W01.

I'm not so sure teams like McLaren, Ferraru and RB will be hurting much of their chances for next season because of this championship battle. If we were going into 2013, however, that would be a different story.

[ESPImperium]

To me it seems pretty obvious that MGP completely switched focus onto development work for the coming seasons.

MS is doing only development work for ´11, so all FP's and even races are used as tests.

NR is still getting tiny but pure ´10 performance updates in order to keep the CCS points dripping in.

I think you got it in those points.

MGP switched somewhere arround Silverstone in my opinion. They by then had enough MS data to start designing his/MGPs first car togeteher in terms of driving style.

NR has had many strong performances, as Renault have been a one driver team, MGP have been giving all the W01 updates to NR first, meaning they can keep P4 in the Construstors table.

MS has been testing, in my opinion. Webber did so at Japan last year for 2010, and DC did so in 2008 for the 2009 car, other teams did the same in 2008 as well, halted 2008 early and started 2009s car as early as March 2008.

All in all, i think Mercedes GP will be a much better team, with a faster car next year.

[forty-two]

I wonder if the reason why MGP opted to run the unusual lower airbox intake was in order to allow their RW to get free-stream air in order to allow them to avoid the overhead of having a sharkfin to feed it?

I still don't see any reasonable means by which they can have a control feed to their F-Duct's fluidic switch though.

[dren]

You guys really think the car will be built for MS next season? I think they will design a car with a focus on using the tires to the best of their ability, not so it suits MS. I expect the low engine intake to remain. There most likely will be some heavy development in the EBD area and KERS (it's returning next year right?). I also expect heavy aero optimization in the rear since the DD will be banned.

[dren]

I wonder if the reason why MGP opted to run the unusual lower airbox intake was in order to allow their RW to get free-stream air in order to allow them to avoid the overhead of having a sharkfin to feed it?

I still don't see any reasonable means by which they can have a control feed to their F-Duct's fluidic switch though.

I think part of the design direction this year with the W01 was hurt a bit by the need to install an F-duct. Next year the low intake design direction should suit the car better. I expect to see it on other cars as well.

[Blackout]

I heard the teams agreed to ban that low airbox intakes

[siskue2005]

I heard the teams agreed to ban that low airbox intakes

yup thats correct the teams have agreed to go for a conventional airbox from 2011

[wesley123]

Oh well, while we busy banning things why not ban the distracting chrome paint of the mclaren with its annoying red colours?

Seriously, what the hell are they doing?! They are banning any innovative idea teams come up with, and then they even dare to complain at the FIA about the rules? WTF is up with that?

[gerhard]

I heard the teams agreed to ban that low airbox intakes

yup thats correct the teams have agreed to go for a conventional airbox from 2011

Source?

This is disgusting, if true. Those airbox intakes make the W01 one of the most gorgeous F1 cars ever, in my oppinion.