Korean GP 2010 - Yeongam

[wesley123]

Document No.17

Team HRT F1 Team
Time 14:12
Session Second Practice
Facts Two team personnel entered the pit exit to recover a tyre warmer from car 20 which had
been released from the Pit Garage with the tyre warmer attached.
Offence Breach of Articles 23.1(j), 30.7 and 30.9 of the 2010 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations
Penalties In relation to the breach of Article 23.1(j) a penalty of $5,000 is imposed In relation to the breach of Articles 30.7 and 30.9 a penalty of a Reprimand is imposed.

And then they want to keep the team professional? Seriously they are a complete joke and they should be banned out of F1, these guys are the reason there wont be coming a 13th team...

[zgred]

Dam..

Changes to the circuit already.

http://en.espnf1.com/korea/motorsport/story/31817.html

I guess this is what happens when you dont have a proper test of the track before the first race weekend.

[ecapox]

Dam..

Changes to the circuit already.

http://en.espnf1.com/korea/motorsport/story/31817.html

I guess this is what happens when you dont have a proper test of the track before the first race weekend.

I agree 100%!

[Insomniac]

Lots of mistakes happen in the pits, even to the most experienced teams/drivers. Remember Massa dragging his fuel hose down the pit lane two years ago? Hamilton crashing into Raikonnen in Canada 2008 because he didn't see a red light? This year we've had Rosberg's tire nearly killing a member of another pit crew, Button's team leaving a cooling cover on the car, Kubica being released into the path of Sutil. Yeah, it's all been during races, but it's easy to forget just how much work and preparation goes into racing an F1 car that simple mistakes are often easy to make. Go easy on the smaller teams, they haven't got the manpower or the resources that the bigger ones do.

[MikeFromCanada]

Lots of mistakes happen in the pits, even to the most experienced teams/drivers. Remember Massa dragging his fuel hose down the pit lane two years ago? Hamilton crashing into Raikonnen in Canada 2008 because he didn't see a red light? This year we've had Rosberg's tire nearly killing a member of another pit crew, Button's team leaving a cooling cover on the car, Kubica being released into the path of Sutil. Yeah, it's all been during races, but it's easy to forget just how much work and preparation goes into racing an F1 car that simple mistakes are often easy to make. Go easy on the smaller teams, they haven't got the manpower or the resources that the bigger ones do.

I agree to a certain extent, but in the end it comes down to the fact that these problems occured during the race. It is one thing when you have under 7-8 seconds (now under 4)to get everything and everyone on the same page, but when a car is stationary inside the pit garage and you have all the time in the world, figuratively speaking, to prep the car before sending it out, well that's a whole different story.

[Insomniac]

I agree to a certain extent, but in the end it comes down to the fact that these problems occured during the race. It is one thing when you have under 7-8 seconds (now under 4)to get everything and everyone on the same page, but when a car is stationary inside the pit garage and you have all the time in the world, figuratively speaking, to prep the car before sending it out, well that's a whole different story.

That's why I said that most of the incidents had been during the race. However, Button's cooling cover was left on when the car was in the box. If a top team can make such a schoolboy mistake, it's understandable that a new one can leave a tire warmer on the car when they have less than half of the resources/personnel.

[747heavy]

just to be precise ( or a smartarse ) the fan was left in the radiator duct on the grid (at Monaco) not in the pit.

but the tire warmer thing, is quite a rookie error, that should not happen,
but hey - nobody is perfect.
But I would agree that HRT is not at F1 standard, and should not be in F1 at the moment.
Not because of the tire blanket, but because of their lack of speed, lack of impovement of the former, insufficient funding and constant driver shuffles.
I´m sure other people could do a more sensible job. Sure F1 is a huge undertaking, but it´s the top of open wheeler racing, and the teams permitted to compete, should reflect that in a way - IMO
I hope they bring the 107% rule back, you should not be allowed to race in F1 just because you bought a ticket/place on the grid, and use your team to wrestle money from well founded pay drivers.
I have nothing against the new teams per se, everybody should get his fair go.
But if you are not good enough, then you are not good enough, and go back to GP2 or whereever, and try to improve.
If you want to play with the big boys, you should be ready.

[747heavy]

as for the track,

I like the layout
sure it´s still a bit rough around the edges, but let´s be fair, Rome was not built in a day.
It could be a good/nice circuit in 1-2 years time.

The problem with the curb/track cutting is part track problem, but part driver/race control problem.
If you let people get away with it, they will do so.
But why should you be allowed to run outside the track.
If they put a tarmac run off there, people will cut even more, because there is less of a penality. ( it would solve the bringing sand onto the track problem)
If you put a wall there, nobody will cut the corner - just kidding

It could be interesting to see what happens if it rains there.
The pitlane exit is also rather interesting, there is no "blend line".
Let´s see how it goes in the race, but it may makes it interesting when there is a battle group of 3-4 cars approaching the corner and another car is exiting the pitlane. Or if someone misses his braking point there, why another car exiting the pits.

[andrew]

If you put a wall there, nobody will cut the corner - just kidding

No kidding necessary as it is a very valid point. The edge of the track is the white line at the edge of the asphalt so stricly speaking the cars are going round corners with at least 2 wheels off the track, which is frowned upon but never enforced.

[ecapox]

If you put a wall there, nobody will cut the corner - just kidding

No kidding necessary as it is a very valid point. The edge of the track is the white line at the edge of the asphalt so stricly speaking the cars are going round corners with at least 2 wheels off the track, which is frowned upon but never enforced.

I say if the car kicks up dirt on the track, drive-through penalty. This should apply to every corner of every race.

Obvious exclusion is a loss of steering, accident, missed corner, etc.

[WhiteBlue]

What irritates me is this constant negativity about the KIC and the race. The KAVO has delivered an excellent track with beautiful facilities smack on for race day. No tarmac is breaking up like is usually does every couple of years in Canada, the people do not get trapped in a swamp as they did in Silverstone for years and the track is smooth and without vicious bumps that we saw in Brazil for ages. Minor problems with the pit entry or curbs are dealt with speedily. This exact thing has happened also in Singapore and people are now happy with the track. Why can't we simply accept that these people did a great job and created a fantastic circuit in a country that will see plenty of development in motor racing in the near future.

[marcush.]

I know some Kolles mechanics and I ´m absolutely positive that he is a top notch guy.So to say the guys are amateurish is certainly wrong.
For all mishaps there is a reason and the fish certainly gets smelly starting from the top ,as a Raceteam is never ever democratic ,workshop like work ,no it can only work in a strict hirarchy.
something as simple as removing a blanket ..that was for sure a genuine top to bottom mistake not a mechanic being a moron.

[Patriiick]

Document No.17

Team HRT F1 Team
Time 14:12
Session Second Practice
Facts Two team personnel entered the pit exit to recover a tyre warmer from car 20 which had
been released from the Pit Garage with the tyre warmer attached.
Offence Breach of Articles 23.1(j), 30.7 and 30.9 of the 2010 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations
Penalties In relation to the breach of Article 23.1(j) a penalty of $5,000 is imposed In relation to the breach of Articles 30.7 and 30.9 a penalty of a Reprimand is imposed.

There goes the 2011 budget.. !

[ecapox]

What irritates me is this constant negativity about the KIC and the race. The KAVO has delivered an excellent track with beautiful facilities smack on for race day. No tarmac is breaking up like is usually does every couple of years in Canada, the people do not get trapped in a swamp as they did in Silverstone for years and the track is smooth and without vicious bumps that we saw in Brazil for ages. Minor problems with the pit entry or curbs are dealt with speedily. This exact thing has happened also in Singapore and people are now happy with the track. Why can't we simply accept that these people did a great job and created a fantastic circuit in a country that will see plenty of development in motor racing in the near future.

The track is superb and the plans for the future, if they pan out, are amazing. What i think is subpar is the fact that the track never had a true test. No FIAGT run a few months before F1, no GP2 race, nothing. I truly think a track should be completed at least 3 months before a first race there. If it is not, there is no race.

With that said, the track issues and pit lane issues are minor and will be remedied before qualifying with, im guessing, further fixes before next year's GP. I think this really has the potential to be one of the best races on the calendar in the next few years.

[jon-mullen]

What irritates me is this constant negativity about the KIC and the race. The KAVO has delivered an excellent track with beautiful facilities smack on for race day.

+1. I was pretty vocal with doubts about the circuit but I'm happy to be proven wrong, it looks like it'll be an exciting and well-organized event.