Tracking of engine use - 2010

[x-ondrasek]

If Ferarri decided to switch them they could, the precedent is at HRT with Yamamotto this year, he took Brunos blocks at Silverstone, then went to take over Karuns at Hockenheim.

Yeah, I forgot about that. It wasn't a direct swapping of two current drivers though. I'm not saying it definitely can't be done, but it would be pretty strange.

[tifoly013usa]

any recent info on where everyone is with their engines?

[WhiteBlue]

Alonso’s concern has to be reliability, particularly of the engine he must use for the final two races. It is the unit he raced in Monza, so it’s done a bit of work already. The one in the car today had done Spa and Suzuka, so it was its last race. Brazil is a tough circuit on engines.

Alonso could find himself suddenly in exactly the same mishap that happened to Vettel. If Ferrari have had a choice they would not put three races on the unit they used in Monza. There is a real possibility that the engine could fail in Brazil or Abu Dhabi. A failure in Brazil - although unlikely - would be a double whammy because it would also mean a ten place grid penalty in Abu Dhabi.

[Mysticf1]

What is Vettel's situation with engines now? Already being on no8 what kind of mileage are on his remaining engines?

[WhiteBlue]

The engine that failed in Korea was on its third race. So it had no planned use beyond potential use in FP1/2. I reckon that Seb has several engines which have several race distances left.

[Pup]

Several engines with several races left in them? Dang, he should have used one of those in Korea!

Actually, I believe his engine was on it's second race. He'll have to go to his Spa and Monza engines for the next two.

[raymondu999]

I can't help but think of why the engine couldn't have blown in Spa (he had no points anyways) and not in Korea

But all this bad luck is only adding to his karma piggy bank and he should be in for massive amounts of good luck in 2011

[mx_tifoso]

This is F1TECHNICAL.NET. Karma doesn't matter. Luck doesn't matter.

[lolzi]

I can't help but think of why the engine couldn't have blown in Spa (he had no points anyways) and not in Korea

But all this bad luck is only adding to his karma piggy bank and he should be in for massive amounts of good luck in 2011

Would be nice if it worked that way, wouldn't it?

[Pup]

Check the facts!

As the guy living in the biggest glass house in town, you should cut it with the exclamation points.

btw, I did.

It isn't in Renault's best interest to say the engine was only on its second race, and if Horner has proved anything this season, it's that he can't open his mouth without a big juicy lie flopping out.

Besides, I'm more interested in these several engines with several races in them you know so much about. Expound upon them, please. We're all ears.

[747heavy]

if the stats, to which Pup´s link lead, are correct, what´s the situation with Ferrari´s No.1 engines?
Could the be upgraded to the new spec, for reliability reasons, and still be used in the races?
Or have they been used up in FP1/2 during the season allready?
If these engines are still in the pool, and upgraded to current spec, Ferrari may does not look too bad after all.

[ESPImperium]

if the stats, to which Pup´s link lead, are correct, what´s the situation with Ferrari´s No.1 engines?
Could the be upgraded to the new spec, for reliability reasons, and still be used in the races?
Or have they been used up in FP1/2 during the season allready?
If these engines are still in the pool, and upgraded to current spec, Ferrari may does not look too bad after all.

Those engines were seemingly cleaned totally inside and used as the Friday engines at all the European based races. They havnt been upgraded as that would render them a new block as per the rules. From Engine 4 in their cycle, was when they introduced their new upgraded blocks.

If they used the #1 block on Friday running, it would already be arround 1500KM in Friday running alone, and would be arround 1650km in total, and that would suggest to me that engine would be gone if you take 2000km as the roof for engine milage.

With those figures, it would make it that #1 has been used on Fridays, and with #3 being blown, and #2 being used at BAH (race) AUS, MAL FP & CHI would mean that block was used, and with #4 being used at ESP, MON & TUR would mean that #5 would be the only one with some milage in it. BUT... #4 and #5 have been used in FP at a couple races as well, means they could have maxed out their milage, if they have been used from SIN and onwards.

Alonso is thin on milage, its do-able, looking at Vettel, Webber and Kubica last year, but it is one of those things for Alonso; if one engine decides to blow, or even cough, its curtains.

According to my data [selected drivers as well for comparison]:

(Driver - Chassis - Engine - Total KM - Engines - Engine Average)
Fernando Alonso - F10 - Ferarri 056 - 12,718.591 - 8 - 1,589.824
Sebastian Vettel - RB6 - Renault RS27-2010 - 12,247.850 - 8 - 1,530.981
Mark Webber - RB6 - Renault RS27-2010 - 11,860.055 - 8 - 1,482.507
Jenson Button - MP4/25A - Mercedes FO108X - 11,885.059 - 8 - 1,485.632
Lewis Hamilton - MP4/25A - Mercedes FO108X - 11,014.723 - 8 - 1,376.840
Felipe Massa - F10 - Ferarri 056 - 12,437.957 - 9 - 1,381.995
Robert Kubica - R30 - Renault RS27-2010 - 12,280.985 - 7 - 1,754.426
Jaime Alguersuari - STR5 - Ferarri 056 - 13,064.133 - 8 - 1,633.017
Rubens Barrichello - FW32 - Cosworth CA2010 - 12,004.353 - 7 - 1,714.908
Michael Schumacher - W01 - Mercedes FO108X - 11,982.275 - 8 - 1,497.784

[747heavy]

Cheers ESP - appriciated !!!!

[WhiteBlue]

engine situation Vettel AFAIK

#1: 1150 km
#2: 1090 km
#3: 1350 km
#4: 1360 km
#5: 1430 km
#6: 1440 km
#7: 1400 km
#8: 1600 km kaputt

I do not believe that Red Bull will run the higher number engines. The logical thing to do would be running engines #1 and #2 as they have the lowest milage.

[ESPImperium]

engine situation Vettel AFAIK

#1: 1150 km
#2: 1090 km
#3: 1350 km
#4: 1360 km
#5: 1430 km
#6: 1440 km
#7: 1400 km
#8: 1600 km kaputt

I do not believe that Red Bull will run the higher number engines. The logical thing to do would be running engines #1 and #2 as they have the lowest milage.

Id say you are on the money there, id recon #3 for FP Brazil and #2 for the race there and #4 for FP Abu Dhabi with #1 being used for the race there. By race i mean full Saturday and Sunday running.