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Nope, he's free to pass on the straight, but he decided to drive right, into Webber. If he was fully past Webber then he would be free to drive right and take the racing line. However he was NOT fully past Webber - Vettel's mistake.andrew wrote:No he didn't decide to drive into anyone. Webber made a mistake so was Vettel meant to stay behind and "say after you dear chap"? Are there any rules about not passing on the straight?
I guess we'll leave it at that then!andrew wrote:If you say so but I whole heartedly disagree.
If this is true, why then was Schumacher blamed (and even penalized) in Hungary? He did nothing different in principle than Webber - held a straight line. Double standards?richard_leeds wrote:Andrew - the thing about overtaking is that the faster driver has to complete the move on merit. The slower driver can keep going as they were without having to concede. The only time for conceding is when being lapped.
Schumacher didn't drive straight, he was always driving slightly to the right.Dragonfly wrote:If this is true, why then was Schumacher blamed (and even penalized) in Hungary? He did nothing different in principle than Webber - held a straight line. Double standards?richard_leeds wrote:Andrew - the thing about overtaking is that the faster driver has to complete the move on merit. The slower driver can keep going as they were without having to concede. The only time for conceding is when being lapped.
And while hard defense is acceptable IMO between drivers from different teams, team mates eliminating each other because of bonehead driving is not. It was Webber who could clearly see where his team mate is and that his front wheel is between the wheels of Seb's car.
Had Vettel been a more experienced driver I am sure he could return the gesture by driving parallel and denying Webber the entry into the corner. But he relied too much on team mate cooperation. Now he knows better.
Barrichello did go off the track, but i don't think he gained an advantage from it (i.e. he didn't shorten the track).andrew wrote:In Hungary Schumacher did nothing wrong. He made his one legal move and the car behind chose to go through the ever diminishing space and drive off teh track to pass (illegal?). The driver behind had a choice and made the wrong one, but yet again the wrong driver was penalised.
Whatever, it's nothing like the Webber/Vettel incident in Turkey though.andrew wrote:Correct, one move in a straight line. No weaving at all and perfectly legal.
Those average numbers don't say a lot, they are very sensitive to one-off qualifying blunders that don't matter a lot (getting second instead of pole 10 times shouldn't equal a Malaysian Q1 messup where some front runners started some 10+ positions lower than than normal).jamsbong wrote:Check out the stats of Vettel.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11012022986 ... 2010-title
Vettel's average grid position = 1.95. That is a very impressive number. Makes me wonder how the hell Alonso gotten so high in the WDC with an avg of 5.79?
