Mercedes GP - Inauguration and 1st season

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Aaaaand FIGHT!

[Intego]

Generally it's useful to quote team principals and other knowing people. The question is what can we read out of that.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Precisley Intego,

I think its beyond a joke to question someone like Brawns reasoning as to why they didnt hit the mark this year. Why dismiss it as rubbish when that person is ultimately best qualified for the comment?

As if someone with no credentials turns up and says "thats rubbish" yet someone who has won many times in 2 decades should not be believed.
Ridiculous.

[xpensive]

Just a little bit of a reality check gentlemen.

I'm currently hired by a huge, and I mean huge, American outfit that needed a ruthless sonomabitch to clean up its activities in Norway. Activities started out as a most innovative local company once upon a time, profitable as hell btw,
was then bought up by a larger regional corporation and later swallowed by this US mammoth.

I spend at least one hour of my day to plough thru corporate trash on my Lotus Notes, total gobeligook.

I can visualize Tyrrell - BAR - Honda - Mercedes right there.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

No X,

Ross Brawn is not the incarnate of some huge American organisation that survives purely on profit. To intimate that is he cant give an honest assesment of the problems that faced the team these last 2 years is plain wrong too.

The reality here is quite simple, if it looks like a bird it probably is one.
Unless you have concrete evidence to suggest it isnt...then it remains a bird!

[xpensive]

You are quite correct JET, the Stuttgart suits couldn't hold a candle against their Chrysler counterparts when it comes to money-grabbing ambitions. As a matter of fact, I've heard that the entire board are PETA-members?

On the other hand, RB is still eating his lunch out of the box his missus has prepared for him every morning since 1974.
He wouldn't know where to begin if asked to put on a tie, while he thinks Versace is a spagetti-western director.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

I dont understand X,

You keep hopping from one conspiracy to the next. Who exactly are you talking about, Mercedes Benz(Daimler GmbH) or Ross Brawn?
First off, I think its safe to take Ross Brawns Xplanation why things didnt work out this year.
Secondly, Mercedes are a global car manufacturer, not Medicin sans frontiers. If you want Charity and goodwill maybe F1 and Automobiles arent for you?

Just an Observation mate

In all it wasnt a disastrous first season...it was a dissapointment. The reasons are there, but its not because of incompetance. At the end of the day Im sure Mercedes would love to have Newey but just cannot afford to break his golden Handcuffs, who else do you get in?

The Mercs were looking pretty racey towards the end of the season so, the staff aquired ofver the summer seem to be sorting out the issues, as does the new structure of the team.

Time will tell, but with Brawn overseeing the running of the team with the Mercedes V8 and KERS for next only a fool will predict them going backwards.

[xpensive]

Good lord JET, if you and marcush were working in my office, which might happen wadda you know, I would teach you both a thing or two about editing your memos and postings before releasing them.

- Firstly, Daimler is a worlwide conglomerate, rather like where I'm at now, why I'm certain that RB and small fry gets entangled in the same corporate trash as everyone else. Like you cannot procede without doing safety the Daimler way.

- Secondly, in the context of above, everything needs an xplanation, without xception, not winning while carrying the three-pointed star being one of them I can imagine.

- Thirdly, a diploma carries you a long way, still in the same context, you can be xcused being without one, but only if you win and bring back the cash to prove it.

But you will never be a member of the club.

[Giblet]

Mercedes looked a little more competent in the last few races as the car was more on the pace.

But Honda always had trouble 'getting to grips' with tires. When they had grip sorted, they couldn't find braking stability. Even the Brawn could only get the tires to work when temperatures were right on track.

I worry for their ability to find grip in the new tires and figure them out, and for this reason, I see trouble in a least the 1st third of 2011.

I'd like to see them prove me wrong however.

[marcush.]

Good lord JET, if you and marcush were working in my office, which might happen wadda you know, I would teach you both a thing or two about editing your memos and postings before releasing them.

- Firstly, Daimler is a worlwide conglomerate, rather like where I'm at now, why I'm certain that RB and small fry gets entangled in the same corporate trash as everyone else. Like you cannot procede without doing safety the Daimler way.

- Secondly, in the context of above, everything needs an xplanation, without xception, not winning while carrying the three-pointed star being one of them I can imagine.

- Thirdly, a diploma carries you a long way, still in the same context, you can be xcused being without one, but only if you win and bring back the cash to prove it.

But you will never be a member of the club.

fair enough ...I´m aware of that .
I flatly deny that all those carrying diploma and titles are any better in editing memos and postings or mails ...but hey we are only humans..

As for the need for explanations I wrote this months ago ....Brawn and his guys are surely dedidcating a lot of time to firefighting and preparing presentations forecasts and meetings to explain why it is worth supporting them still...

[WhiteBlue]

Mercedes looked a little more competent in the last few races as the car was more on the pace.

But Honda always had trouble 'getting to grips' with tires. When they had grip sorted, they couldn't find braking stability. Even the Brawn could only get the tires to work when temperatures were right on track.

I worry for their ability to find grip in the new tires and figure them out, and for this reason, I see trouble in a least the 1st third of 2011. I'd like to see them prove me wrong however.

Brawn's simulators are crap compared to the stuff at McLaren.

[xpensive]

[club.

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fair enough ...I´m aware of that .
I flatly deny that all those carrying diploma and titles are any better in editing memos and postings or mails ...but hey we are only humans..

As for the need for explanations I wrote this months ago ....Brawn and his guys are surely dedidcating a lot of time to firefighting and preparing presentations forecasts and meetings to explain why it is worth supporting them still...[/quote]

You and me in Saarland marcush, far away from those bavarians, wouldn't that be somerthing else?

[Giblet]

Mercedes looked a little more competent in the last few races as the car was more on the pace.

But Honda always had trouble 'getting to grips' with tires. When they had grip sorted, they couldn't find braking stability. Even the Brawn could only get the tires to work when temperatures were right on track.

I worry for their ability to find grip in the new tires and figure them out, and for this reason, I see trouble in a least the 1st third of 2011. I'd like to see them prove me wrong however.

Brawn's simulators are crap compared to the stuff at McLaren.

With the wealth of information that Bridgestone offered, and consultation on their tires, I still find it amazing that they could never get the tires to work.

[segedunum]

Seems you cannot believe a word Brawn says, and you give not ONE valid reason why.

Because he has an obvious vested interest in the situation and in not giving us accurate reasons as to what's really gone on. As such, we have to look at and debate little things like results over a period of time and the team's actual financial figures from last year and ask ourselves whether it all adds up. Terrible, I know.

Seriously JET, you have to be one of the thickest people around not to understand the word and concept of 'impartiality'. Again, we've been over this before and you steadfastly believe that you can keep quoting Ross Brawn until the cows come home and it will rationally nullify anything else that's been pointed out that doesn't add up with what he says.

[marcush.]

[club.

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fair enough ...I´m aware of that .
I flatly deny that all those carrying diploma and titles are any better in editing memos and postings or mails ...but hey we are only humans..

As for the need for explanations I wrote this months ago ....Brawn and his guys are surely dedidcating a lot of time to firefighting and preparing presentations forecasts and meetings to explain why it is worth supporting them still...

You and me in Saarland marcush, far away from those bavarians, wouldn't that be somerthing else?[/quote]

It would not be easy , but I see potential there.