Which Driver most impressed you in 2010?

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Which driver most impressed you in 2010 excluding car advantages?

Sebastien Vettel
3
4%
Mark Webber
6
9%
Lewis Hamilton
10
15%
Jenson Button
2
3%
Fernando Alonso
5
7%
Felipe Massa
1
1%
Nico Rosberg
8
12%
Robert Kubica
20
30%
Nico Hulkenberg
2
3%
Kamui Kobayashi
10
15%
 
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I voted Kobayashi because I didn't really expect much of him, I thought his 2009 duelling was just him being "lucky" with his strategy coinciding with Button's but he's shown himself to be quite a fighter in an F1 car.
Other than him, I would vote Kovalainen, not because of his driving but for his cheerful attitude in a not-so-good car (and his fire-fighting ability, of course!)

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Easily Kubica. For me Hamilton and Alonso performed on a par, both making mistakes and both making their team mates looks rather paltry. Vettel and Webber COULD have done so much better that in my opinion, they aren't worth a mention.
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How many mistakes did Kubica make in relation to Alonso?

Of the top teams Alonso was easily the best driver. The fact he pushed both RB drivers to the end in a lesser car, and may have triumphed had it not been for the early pitcall.

Hamilton made basic driver errors. His own bosses own adage is "to finish first, first you have to finish".

Kubica was blasted out the water in Hungary by Petrov, quite spectacularly. He performed well to get his podiums, but I just cant really gauge his performance(car teammate etc) in relation to that of Rosberg, Koba, and Alonso, my top 3 for the year.
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Kubica was boring. Getting beat by Petrov a couple times cannot be impressive.
An inmpressive driver has to be teamed up with another strong driver.

Kubica = Sutil in a yellow suit. mehh...
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:How many mistakes did Kubica make in relation to Alonso?

Of the top teams Alonso was easily the best driver. The fact he pushed both RB drivers to the end in a lesser car, and may have triumphed had it not been for the early pitcall.

Hamilton made basic driver errors. His own bosses own adage is "to finish first, first you have to finish".

Kubica was blasted out the water in Hungary by Petrov, quite spectacularly. He performed well to get his podiums, but I just cant really gauge his performance(car teammate etc) in relation to that of Rosberg, Koba, and Alonso, my top 3 for the year.
Hamilton made two really costly errors throughout the year - qualifying in Malaysia and the overtake on Massa at Monza. The overtake with Webber in Singapore was 50/50 and he was unlucky to come off so badly.

Alonso made many errors, including some basic ones, in the first half of the year. Alonso did very well once Ferrari sorted the car out and he relaxed rather than over driving.

In terms of absolute pace I'd rate Alonso and Hamilton as roughly equal, ahead of the rest of the field. They both made a couple of mistakes that ultimately cost them the title, but over the course of the full season they both got more out of their respective cars than any of the other top cars.

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It was a tie for me between Kubica & Alonso. Voted for Kubica. For those claiming it is Petrov- with all respect, F1 isn't driving school, not driving into the wall shouldn't be considered an achievement.

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This is an interesting topic, actually. For example, how do we actually know that the Red Bull was the quickest car in 2010? It could be that it was the McLaren, but the drivers at Red Bull simply brought it to the limit more times (especially in qualifying) or that the McLaren drivers are slow. How do we know how much of a car's speed is driver, and how much is car? We say Kubica outperformed the Renault. How do we know the Renault wasn't of Ferrari level, but Kubica was underperforming? He wasn't after a known benchmark, after all. For all we know the Merc could've been a much slower car than the Renault.
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raymondu999 wrote:This is an interesting topic, actually. For example, how do we actually know that the Red Bull was the quickest car in 2010? It could be that it was the McLaren, but the drivers at Red Bull simply brought it to the limit more times (especially in qualifying) or that the McLaren drivers are slow. How do we know how much of a car's speed is driver, and how much is car? We say Kubica outperformed the Renault. How do we know the Renault wasn't of Ferrari level, but Kubica was underperforming? He wasn't after a known benchmark, after all. For all we know the Merc could've been a much slower car than the Renault.
It's that ambiguity that leads to so many disputes between fans who are convinced that their car or driver is the best for whatever reason. I think it would be fair to say that if all the top drivers were in equal machinery that magically suited all their driving styles, then they would all qualify within a tiny fraction of a second of each other. For me the difference between them is in how they get the best from a car that isn't perfectly set up or suited to them, and in their race craft - their ability to recover through the field from problems, and overtake cleanly.

The massive margin by which Red Bull was often able to qualify ahead of the field clearly shows, to me at least, that the car had amazing pace and was the fastest car out there. The McLaren and Ferrari were broadly equal over the course of the season, with each car holding the advantage at certain times in the development cycle and on certain tracks suiting one car more than the other. That is all subjective though, although at least supported by the general opinions in the paddock that you can read about online.

In terms of race craft and the ability to get the most out of the car far more often than not then I would rate Hamilton and Alonso as the best drivers on the grid. Alonso probably just edges it on ability to always set the car up, with Hamilton still making the odd error, but Lewis just edges it on race craft and ability to make his way through the field.

For me, and this is all personal opinion, Vettel is there with them on raw pace but lacks the ability to adapt his driving style to drive around problems and cannot overtake as reliably or cleanly - he's clearly at his best leading from flag to finish. It was reported that when Webber had his run of successes around Monaco time that Vettel was struggling with the driving style required to get the best out of the EBD, but that subsequent changes to the car helped adapt the car back to suiting Vettel's style.

Maybe he will get the chance to prove me wrong next year, but whereas I can see Hamilton and Alonso both being in with a shot at the title if their cars allow, if Vettel doesn't have a car advantage that allows him to routinely qualify on pole and run at the front and instead he has to battle the other drivers in a broadly equal car and fight for every point then I can't see him winning the title. I'm not yet convinced he can routinely snatch victory when he only has equal car performance rather than a distinct advantage - although maybe the adjustable rear wings will help him overtake.

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Voted for Kobayashi.

Started badly with loads of DNFs, a "new" team, the development rate wasn't as fast as that of Renault, yet he scored consistently on the second half of the championship.

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I voted for Alonso, although I am in between Alonso and Kobayashi.

In any case, I wonder how Massa got into this poll? And I wonder even more who voted for him? :D Monty already said he was performing below expectations, and quite often he was pretty far off the pace of Alonso, who was in his first year at Ferrari...

As for Petrov, too many mistakes for me to be a competitor here.

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What kinda poll is this anyway, where is MS? :evil:
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Voted for Koba.
Just look at his overtakes in Japan says enough :-)

Alonso just did what he was expected to do. You can't find that impressing.

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I think you'd need to include all other drivers in this poll for it to be fair.. otherwise it would be too subjective as you'd be calling who you think is most likely to be voted. What if someone votes for Yamamoto, for example?
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myurr wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:This is an interesting topic, actually. For example, how do we actually know that the Red Bull was the quickest car in 2010? It could be that it was the McLaren, but the drivers at Red Bull simply brought it to the limit more times (especially in qualifying) or that the McLaren drivers are slow. How do we know how much of a car's speed is driver, and how much is car? We say Kubica outperformed the Renault. How do we know the Renault wasn't of Ferrari level, but Kubica was underperforming? He wasn't after a known benchmark, after all. For all we know the Merc could've been a much slower car than the Renault.
It's that ambiguity that leads to so many disputes between fans who are convinced that their car or driver is the best for whatever reason. I think it would be fair to say that if all the top drivers were in equal machinery that magically suited all their driving styles, then they would all qualify within a tiny fraction of a second of each other.
agreed. Depending on who (fan) is talking about who (driver,) it's always either the crap driver who is only there because of his quick car, or it's the godlike driver who is outperforming a devilishly evil car
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