F1 Turbo V6 engine dimensions

[MadMatt]

Hello everybody !

For a personal project, I would need drawing of F1 engines. I know they are very hard to get with the dimensions, so dimensions will fit also. I am looking especially for the V6 turbo engine dimensions (1980s).

If anybody has got them (width, length, height) and if possible with more values, that would be great !

Thanks everbody !

[WhiteBlue]

http://www.zzw30.com/HondaRA168EEngine.pdf

[MadMatt]

Thank you for your answer !

I already found that document before, but unfortunately there is no size information about the famous Honda '88 engine.

Sportcar V6 twinturbo dimensions would be ok, especially the engine which was fitted inside the Nissan ZX-T GTP or the NPT-90 IMSA cars. They were all V6 twinturbo engines which is exactly the type of engine I'm looking to use for my sportcar project.

[MadMatt]

So nobody knows ?

I wouldn't mind having dimensions even of a sportscar V6 twinturbo engine, I mean the overall dimensions of the bloc+head so I can draw them for my 3D model. Just want to have an idea of the dimensions, surely someone has got dimensions ! These engines are in museums and it is easy to measure them (if you live near by one) !

[timbo]

Maybe you can contact this guy:
http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles ... ngine.aspx

[MadMatt]

Maybe you can contact this guy:
http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles ... ngine.aspx

Thank you for the link. Just a shame it is a 120° engine but I will try to contact him anyway. Hope someone can come up with dimensions of a V6 engine, doesn't matter F1 or not, it just has to be an engine used in quite high level of motorsport, so the the engine is quite compact !

[timbo]

Maybe you can contact this guy:
http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles ... ngine.aspx

Thank you for the link. Just a shame it is a 120° engine but I will try to contact him anyway. Hope someone can come up with dimensions of a V6 engine, doesn't matter F1 or not, it just has to be an engine used in quite high level of motorsport, so the the engine is quite compact !

That was just an example.
There are quite a few used F1 cars in various collections around. Tracking those guys might give you the info you're looking for.
Also, check this sight and contact them:
http://www.gurneyflap.com/

[WhiteBlue]

Guerneyflap has a height of 627 mm for the 1988 engine. The schematic drawings in the paper should help with width.

[MadMatt]

Maybe you can contact this guy:
http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles ... ngine.aspx

Thank you for the link. Just a shame it is a 120° engine but I will try to contact him anyway. Hope someone can come up with dimensions of a V6 engine, doesn't matter F1 or not, it just has to be an engine used in quite high level of motorsport, so the the engine is quite compact !

That was just an example.
There are quite a few used F1 cars in various collections around. Tracking those guys might give you the info you're looking for.
Also, check this sight and contact them:
http://www.gurneyflap.com/

Yes I will try to find these guys. Its just a shame that nobody ever took measurements of these engines when they had them in the hands. Rather than always publishing the power, torque, bore, stroke and usually stuff you can find everywhere, the journalists should publish the actual size of the engine, that would be nice to imagine how compact/developed they are !

Guerneyflap has a height of 627 mm for the 1988 engine. The schematic drawings in the paper should help with width.

Yes, that's already a good start, but how to know where the height has been measured ? Is it from the bottom of the engine to the top of the head ? I will have to send him an email, but I remember he's there on the forum so will drop a PM !

[Sayshina]

You're looking for this info for a cad model of an actual car you intend to build? If that's the case there's very little reason to look at F1 engines, unless you actually plan on finding one for use.

As far as rejecting any dimensions you do happen to find because that particular motor has the wrong included angle, that's not really relevant for you anyway. Again assuming you're not looking to get detailed yet. You could easily take a Porsche flat 6 if you had the dims, just rotate the jubs and heads from 180 deg. to say 60 deg in cad. You'll end up with a decently representative model for a modern 60 deg. V6.

[manchild]

Thank you for your answer !

I already found that document before, but unfortunately there is no size information about the famous Honda '88 engine.

Yes there is, you have bore and cutaway. Just measure the bore on drawing, compare it with engine height on drawing and you'll get the real height.

So, height is approximately 626mm

[elitewolverine]

dont forget it tells you the bore and stroke in mm...

use the bore and stroke, to get a reference point, and everything will fall into place.

you have a cutout so using the bores/stroke dimensions will give you EXACT dimmensions of all parts

[elmerfud]

That honda v6 is a dinosaur now, I would imagine the current V8 / V10 era front view architecture will apply, give it a centimetre more stroke, cut of two cylinders and lay a turbo on each side.
Renault used the 90 degree uneven fire V6 to high levels of power + reliability. I think it follows the thinking of the uneven fire V10 philosophy of playing around with the firing order to find a satisfactory compromise with vibrations.

It also allows car designers to evolve their current chassis without making radical changes in the tub for pre season testing.