Looking back on the Ferrari nose hole

[scuderiafan]

Kinda like how they went all conservative to the tests with a very simple car.
No doubt in my mind they have some goodies to get on the car when the time is right.

Thumbs up for the reliability too, very impressive.

I just wish they would bring back the hole in the nosecone they used at Monaco i think? To bad it didn´t seem to add any performance though.

You mean on the F2008? I thought the teams couldn't do that anymore?

[HampusA]

You mean on the F2008? I thought the teams couldn't do that anymore?

Yea i think it was that car, not sure though. And i also think they used it in Monaco.

It was legal because they passed the crash tests with it but i don´t know if they banned it later. Can´t remember they using it after that GP either.

Found a picture of it

[timbo]

It was legal because they passed the crash tests with it but i don´t know if they banned it later. Can´t remember they using it after that GP either.

They did used it later on almost all tracks xcept high-speed ones.
It was banned because FIA limited number of closed sections in the nose-cone.

[HampusA]

It was legal because they passed the crash tests with it but i don´t know if they banned it later. Can´t remember they using it after that GP either.

They did used it later on almost all tracks xcept high-speed ones.
It was banned because FIA limited number of closed sections in the nose-cone.

I see, thank you.

And the reason they did not use it for highspeed tracks was because of the drag it created?

The good thing about it was that it helped alot to speed up the air under the nosecone of what i read.

[ESPImperium]

You mean on the F2008? I thought the teams couldn't do that anymore?

Yea i think it was that car, not sure though. And i also think they used it in Monaco.

It was legal because they passed the crash tests with it but i don´t know if they banned it later. Can´t remember they using it after that GP either.

Found a picture of it

Banned. Reason, the fact it is costly as Ferarri were rumored to have spent $15m on it and seemingly smashed 2 complete tubs up before it was passed in the crash test lab. It was banned on cost grounds, but also on the fact it was creating more downforce as it was giving the low pressure node a route to escape and thus making the front end more driveable. In 2008 the Ferarri was more aggressive on the front Bridgestones than the McLaren, but then the F2008 and MP4/23 had current roles reversed, the McLaren was the shorter and the Ferarri was the longer.

EDIT: Just checked my records, the 265 and 266 chassis numbers dont have a Chassis name next to them, thus meaning that the F2008 could plauseaubly have had 2 tubs smashed up before the slotted nose box was passed.

[segedunum]

Found a picture of it



Banned. Reason, the fact it is costly as Ferarri were rumored to have spent $15m on it and seemingly smashed 2 complete tubs up before it was passed in the crash test lab.

I'm curious as to why this was banned and under what regulation they banned it.

[HampusA]

Found a picture of it



Banned. Reason, the fact it is costly as Ferarri were rumored to have spent $15m on it and seemingly smashed 2 complete tubs up before it was passed in the crash test lab.

I'm curious as to why this was banned and under what regulation they banned it.

If you read the rest of his post it should be pretty clear to why it was banned m8.

[RichardHH]

You mean on the F2008? I thought the teams couldn't do that anymore?

Yea i think it was that car, not sure though. And i also think they used it in Monaco.

It was legal because they passed the crash tests with it but i don´t know if they banned it later. Can´t remember they using it after that GP either.

Found a picture of it

This setup is only worth while with the type of front wing back then. They rerouted the air from the center wing profile through the nose cone. Since we don't have any front wing profile under the nose anymore this discussion is needless... beside the fact that is is banned anyway.

[segedunum]

If you read the rest of his post it should be pretty clear to why it was banned m8.

Oh I understand the rationale behind it, but I was curious as to the regulations which banned something like this and whether anything new was formulated.

[HampusA]

You mean on the F2008? I thought the teams couldn't do that anymore?

Yea i think it was that car, not sure though. And i also think they used it in Monaco.

It was legal because they passed the crash tests with it but i don´t know if they banned it later. Can´t remember they using it after that GP either.

Found a picture of it

This setup is only worth while with the type of front wing back then. They rerouted the air from the center wing profile through the nose cone. Since we don't have any front wing profile under the nose anymore this discussion is needless... beside the fact that is is banned anyway.

I think you missunderstood my point by mentioning the famous holes.

I just wanted to know on what car it was used on, when it was used, and why it isn´t used.

I got all the answers

[bogi]

Glory hole isn't banned in the rules I think, it's useless with the new front wing regulations because center of the wing is homologated (neutral profile).

[ESPImperium]

Found a picture of it



Banned. Reason, the fact it is costly as Ferarri were rumored to have spent $15m on it and seemingly smashed 2 complete tubs up before it was passed in the crash test lab.

I'm curious as to why this was banned and under what regulation they banned it.

Reason cost & safety. Cost due to the fact Ferrari smashed up 2 chassis before they found the best solution for the front impact structure, and for the advantage of the stability and the downforce gain. Its the same theory that the F-Duct has now been banned. Too much cost for such a small amount of gain. The front end alone per car of the F2008 is more than what Hispania had for the entire 2010 season in effect. Ferrari spent $440m that season.