Australian GP 2011 - Albert Park, 24-27 March

[Tamburello]

Forget about rules for a second.

Well that's exactly what the stewards did! But that is WRONG.

I don't think so. I think they interpret "and does not gain an advantage" differently to you. I think if you cut a corner they deem it as gaining an advantage but if you go wide at corners like turn 4 at Albert Park, they are lenient.

[Tamburello]

Forget about rules for a second.

Well that's exactly what the stewards did! But that is WRONG.

I don't think so. I think they interpret "and does not gain an advantage" differently to you. I think if you cut a corner they deem it as gaining an advantage but if you go wide at corners like turn 4 at Albert Park, they are lenient.

[myurr]

This is a very rough and ready sketch of the two lines taken by the drivers:


You cannot say that Vettel following the red line was not able to carry a lot more speed through that corner due to running wide. It greatly reduces the turning radius. Had Vettel followed the rules he would not have made it past Button, simple as.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Here is a very simple way of looking at Vettels pass on Button.

If the white lines denoting the edge of the track were six feet high concrete walls, would he have still made the pass?

In my opinion, no, because he wouldn't have been able to carry the speed through the corner without crashing in to the 'wall' at the edge of the track.

Button's move earlier on Massa was very clearly in breach of the rules. The thing that screwed Button is Alonso & Massa almost instantly swapped places, and then pitted when it didn't look like Button was going to let them both pass. Typical Ferrari tactics really.

[Tamburello]

Button should have known he'd have to give it back so why delay? You can't cry when Ferrari pit their cars after you had plenty of time to let them by.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Alonso & Massa swapped almost instantly, it was like the next corner or two, so he would have had to let both cars pass (it's probably why Ferrari swapped them).

[Tamburello]

This is a very rough and ready sketch of the two lines taken by the drivers:


You cannot say that Vettel following the red line was not able to carry a lot more speed through that corner due to running wide. It greatly reduces the turning radius. Had Vettel followed the rules he would not have made it past Button, simple as.

Look the stewards (and I) saw nothing wrong with Vettel's move. As long as they enforce similar situations consistently, nobody should argue with it.

[Tamburello]

Alonso & Massa swapped almost instantly, it was like the next corner or two, so he would have had to let both cars pass (it's probably why Ferrari swapped them).

So what? You have to let them both past. Simple. Better that than the inevitable drive thru penalty.

What exactly was he hoping for by delaying? Massa to retake Alonso and come up to Button's tail so he can quickly swap places with him or even more outlandish, the stewards to fall for the "he pushed me out (and so I should be able to take a shortcut)" line?

[i70q7m7ghw]

Stop this, I agreed it was in violation of the rules, the punishment was deserved, I'm just describing how events unfolded.

As for Vettel Vs Button, same really. I agree with the decision. BUT, basically to me that says that all drivers are allowed to extend the track in that corner to overtake another car.

[Richard]

Typical Ferrari tactics really.

You mean good racing tactics? After the mess in Abu Dhabi one could say it was atypical! Remember F1 is a mix of strategy, car and driver, you need all 3 to win.

Even if Alonso had stayed behind Massa it would have been impossible for Button to let one Ferrari pass and not the other.

Actually Ferrari played into Buttons hands a couple of laps later because Alonso pitted and left Massa out on track. Button could have let Massa past then. His pit crew should have jumped on that opportunity.

[ESPImperium]

Some tyre/pit stop gold:

Lap 11 – Webber pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 12 – Alonso pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 13 – Massa pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 13 – Barrichello pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 14 – Vettel pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 14 – Di Resta pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 14 – D’Ambrosio pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 15 – Buemi pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 15 – Heidfeld pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 16 – Hamilton pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 16 – Petrov pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 16 – Rosberg pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 16 – Kobayashi pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 16 – Sutil pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 16 – Trulli pits from hard to soft tyre
Lap 17 – Button pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 17 – Alguersari pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 17 – Kovalainen pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 17 – Schumacher pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 18 – Glock pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 19 – Button pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 19 – Glock pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 23 – Perez pits from hard to soft tyre
Lap 23 – Barrichello pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 26 – Webber pits from hard to soft tyre
Lap 27 – Alonso pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 28 – Barrichello pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 29 – Buemi pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 30 – Heidfeld pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 31 – Massa pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 32 – Kobayashi pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 35 – Alguersuari pits from hard to hard tyre
Lap 36 – Vettel pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 36 – Hamilton pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 36 – Petrov pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 36 – Di Resta pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 37 – Button pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 37 – Sutil pits from hard to hard tyre
Lap 38 – D’Ambrosio pits from hard to hard tyre
Lap 40 – Barrichello pits from soft to hard tyre
Lap 41 – Webber pits from soft to soft tyre
Lap 42 – Alonso pits from soft tyre
Lap 48 – Massa pits from hard to soft tyre

http://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/news/ ... australia/

[myurr]

Look the stewards (and I) saw nothing wrong with Vettel's move. As long as they enforce similar situations consistently, nobody should argue with it.

And highlighted in bold is the problem.

[Tamburello]

Stop this, I agreed it was in violation of the rules, the punishment was deserved, I'm just describing how events unfolded.

As for Vettel Vs Button, same really. I agree with the decision. BUT, basically to me that says that all drivers are allowed to extend the track in that corner to overtake another car.

Well then we're in agreement. I just don't understand why Button kept the position. He could have had a good go at a podium if he let them past straight away.

[Tamburello]

Look the stewards (and I) saw nothing wrong with Vettel's move. As long as they enforce similar situations consistently, nobody should argue with it.

And highlighted in bold is the problem.

You do realise this was the first race of season? Wait and see how they police it in the other races and then you can complain from a position of proper grievance.

[Tamburello]

Look the stewards (and I) saw nothing wrong with Vettel's move. As long as they enforce similar situations consistently, nobody should argue with it.

And highlighted in bold is the problem.

You do realise this was the first race of season? Wait and see how they police it in the other races and then you can complain from a position of proper grievance.