Should Ferrari focus on 2012 now?

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Should Ferrari give up on the F150°Italia

Yes, forget the bloody thing!
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No way, the car will be competitive very soon.
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Don't know, too difficult to call now.
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bhall
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What crisis?! They're in 3rd place after ONE RACE!

I'll readily admit to Ferrari partisanship, so I may be guilty of a rossa corsa-colored outlook, but to suggest that ANY team should throw away 95% of a season for ANY reason is beyond ludicrous. It's plaid! (I'll adore all those who catch the reference.)

Ferrari are obviously not the dominant force of a few years back. Nevertheless, they've only suffered from two uncompetitive seasons in the last 15+ years. There isn't a single team in the paddock who would turn away such a record.

Crisis. UGH.

manchild
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I think they should focus on this season, and keep the same design philosophy for the next decade or so. :mrgreen:

Jersey Tom
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In 2003, MS came in 4th in the opening race in Australia, and 6th in Malaysia the next weekend! They should have just quit then.

Then again maybe they did, given how 2004 turned out!
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nipo
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They should sack Alonso, and then Monte. That would probably bring budgets back to normal, and everything else back in order.

(I know the budget doesn't include these guys, just having a little fun, ok?)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Tamburello
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WhiteBlue wrote:http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... -2012-car/

Briatore has advised Ferrari to forget their current car and throw all resources on the next year's design. I think it is a good idea but you can't keep doing it forever. So they better come up with something as impressive as the RB6 or RB7.
By this logic McLaren should have forgot the MP4-25 after Bahrain as they were around a second off the the front runners' pace. Yet they stayed in title hunt well into the last stages of the championship.

alelanza
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LOL, just as brilliant as reading the singapore 08 transcript, Flavio's strategy consisted of 'tell him to go faster'if i recall correctly.
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Ciro Pabón
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The championship is over. Specially for Briatore.
Ciro

myurr
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donskar wrote:WB, please get a new drum to beat on; this one is worn out.

WB's blind hatred of Ferrari + pathetic RBR fanboyism = ZZZZZZZZZZ
Christ what's the poor guy going to do when Vettel eventually moves to Ferrari!?

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Use their army of solicitors to ban flexing bodywork.

Then we will see whos competitive.
More could have been done.
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WhiteBlue
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donskar wrote:WB, please get a new drum to beat on; this one is worn out. WB's blind hatred of Ferrari + pathetic RBR fanboyism = ZZZZZZZZZZ
LOL, I don't hate Ferrari. But I can live a life without Ferrari. Neither their current cars nor their participation in F1 are important for me. I admire other automotive manufacturers and F1 teams similarly or more.

What is wrong with that? Ferrari in 2011 are the archetypical "Fat Cats". They have neither been innovative nor inspirational for a long time. The last Ferrari I have admired was the Ferrari Dino.

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But the same goes for the Jaguar E-type

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or the NSU Ro 80

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which was a design icon 15 years ahead of it's time. Should I admire Jaguar today just because they did something great fifty years ago? Nobody loves Mercedes just because they did the gull wing in the fifties.

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or Renault just for offering the Renault Alpine A110

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So, please explain to me why every F1 fan has to pay special reverence to Ferrari. They are just a team as any other with a particularly ruthless president who used to play the game harder and more successfully than other great brands. Unfortunately today he is focussed on his little universe in Maranello and Italy. He has lost touch with the rest of the world and F1 if you ask me.

Looking at the poll and the answers here we should probably wait a few months before we want to post more on the issue. By the time we come to Silverstone the proposal will either look very silly or perhaps prophetical.
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Richard
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eh - WB do you need a holiday?

The idea that any team should give up now after the first race is silly. They came within a whisker of the championship last season, hence deserve respect at the start of this season. That's not reverence, its reality.

bhall
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No one has to pay special reverence to Ferrari or any other team. But to propose that a team call it quits after a single race suggests a special bitterness of sorts on the part of whoever puts forth such an absurd idea.

Flavio Briatore has his own issues with F1. He too was a ruthless team leader.

Where's the good sporting ethos in either quitting or wanting your competitors to quit?

This "poll" will be just as meaningless after Silverstone as it is presently. In fact, I suggest this thread be locked so that we can focus on who should quit after the first race next year.

andrew
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Pandamasque wrote:Oh dear. That pathetic old fart is trolling again.
Which one is the old fart? :D
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andrew
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And I thought the thread discussing where Kubica would have finished (a question that is impossible to answer without the aid of the ability to jump into a parralell universe) was completely pointless......

To put a bit of sensible level headed perspective (if that is possible) on this thread, surely all the teams that didn't win should give up and look to 2012. In fact, I'll go further and sugest that all other drivers that didn't win should give up and look to next year and just leave Vettel in the sole remaining Red Bull to race himself the entire season.

I'm no Ferrari fan these days, but to suggest that any team gives up after one race shows an extreme blind hate of that team. Maybe they caused the thread author some mental or physical anguish? I wonder, if a certain German by the name of Michael Schumacher was still driving for the reds would this thread have been created?

Oh wait, I get it now! It's because Luca di Montezemolo was a huge thord in the side of the disgraced from head of the FIA, Max Mosley, someone who the thread author is a fan of. Damn that drum is worn!

Gerhard Berger
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WhiteBlue wrote:The proposal sounds a bit strange initially. Ferrari is in a fundamental crisis in my opinion. They are in a race to increase the efficiency of their racing department after decades of limitless waste of money. They are used to throw more and more money and resources at a problem to fix it. Obviously that is not an option in a resource limited competition. If they do not abandon 2011 their management may not be able to focus on fixing the basic problem instead of trying to win a particular championship.
Ferrari spent the best part of 20 years throwing money and resources at problems, but it got them no where. They started winning again because they got the right personel. I think to say they are in fundamental crisis is a clear exageration and a bit of a knee jerk reaction after only 1 race.

In my opinion, it seems like they are missing guys like Brawn, Byrne, Martinelli etc. and people like Costa, Tombazis etc. who have been promoted in their place, aren't quite as good.