Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

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Considering that Vettels KERS was intermitant and he didn't have the advantage of DRS then it is pretty obvious who the driver of the day was.

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andrew wrote:
jamsbong wrote:As usual, Martin Brundle wants to stir up some controversy by insisting that Lewis is the Driver of the day. Even Coulthard question his logic.
Yeah, but Brundle is a fool, or if you like, an on air troll. I take no notice of him.
His logic was right though - the Red Bull is the fastest car out there by some margin but Hamilton was able to get to and stay with Vettel. That takes some driving no matter who the guy is.
Calling Brundle a fool just makes you look foolish to be honest; the guy knows more about the sport than anyone on this forum.
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Another note about Alonso. It seems that Ferrari have not learnt their lesson from Abu Dhabi last year. Remember Ferrari childishly reaction to Webber's pitstop, it seems that Ferrari reaction to Vettel's 2nd stop (on hindsight) has been costly.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
andrew wrote:
jamsbong wrote:As usual, Martin Brundle wants to stir up some controversy by insisting that Lewis is the Driver of the day. Even Coulthard question his logic.
Yeah, but Brundle is a fool, or if you like, an on air troll. I take no notice of him.
His logic was right though - the Red Bull is the fastest car out there by some margin but Hamilton was able to get to and stay with Vettel. That takes some driving no matter who the guy is.
Calling Brundle a fool just makes you look foolish to be honest; the guy knows more about the sport than anyone on this forum.
By contrast, Coulthard's point was that the RBR's race pace is not convincingly the fastest; especially when it can't use KERS or DRS, so it took some amazing driving by Vettel to keep it far enough out in front.

I tend to agree.

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And interestingly, Perez finished ahead of Kobayashi...

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andrew wrote:
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Fil wrote: Frustrating coverage today.
Now that's what I'm talking about!
What was wrong with it? Showed the racing at the front and the midfield action and I could follow the race quite easily.
are you trolling or just undemanding?
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jamsbong wrote:Another note about Alonso. It seems that Ferrari have not learnt their lesson from Abu Dhabi last year. Remember Ferrari childishly reaction to Webber's pitstop, it seems that Ferrari reaction to Vettel's 2nd stop (on hindsight) has been costly.
More than anything else, it seems that Ferrari is hampered by poor pit stops and strategy calls.

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jamsbong wrote:Another note about Alonso. It seems that Ferrari have not learnt their lesson from Abu Dhabi last year. Remember Ferrari childishly reaction to Webber's pitstop, it seems that Ferrari reaction to Vettel's 2nd stop (on hindsight) has been costly.
Yep, surprised he didn't do the same thing as Hamilton and stay out for a good few laps... That said, I'm surprised Hamilton didn't stay out for an extra 4/5 laps on his last set of softs... Probably would have dropped 3/4 seconds by doing it, but would have had far fresher hards... Maybe enough to get past?

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FrukostScones wrote:
andrew wrote:What was wrong with it? Showed the racing at the front and the midfield action and I could follow the race quite easily.
are you trolling or just undemanding?
What would you have liked to see more of? I got everything I wanted to for the most part. The only time I got frustrated was in the first pit stops, where they showed the stops, even though Hamilton was overtaking on track.

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zeph wrote:And interestingly, Perez finished ahead of Kobayashi...
Bad qualifying, puncture on first lap, but great drive from Sergio still.

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FrukostScones wrote:are you trolling or just undemanding?
NO, I just saw nothing wrong with the coverage. For me it was one of the better race coverages.

Maybe it is the commentary that wasn't great. The BBC 1 comentary is terrible but Radio 5 is by far one of the best and it does make a huge difference.

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Byronrhys wrote:
zeph wrote:And interestingly, Perez finished ahead of Kobayashi...
Bad qualifying, puncture on first lap, but great drive from Sergio still.
And DiResta beat Sutil again – DiResta looks a shoe in for a top team soon to me. I hope it's not the Merc that everyone is talking about... Maybe replacing Webber?

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beelsebob wrote: Coulthard's point was that the RBR's race pace is not convincingly the fastest; especially when it can't use KERS or DRS, so it took some amazing driving by Vettel to keep it far enough out in front.

I tend to agree.
I agree with Brundle, you with Coulthard - nice that some of us can have opposing views without going in to "abuse mode" straight away as some hereabouts are wont to.

To be honest I can see both sides of the argument. I fall just for Brundle on this one this time; next race it might go the other way...
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So... Hamilton, Button, Webber and Algesuari, not slowing down for waved yellows... 20 second penalty each?

If that were the case it would have no effect on the outcome, maybe they'll penalise more?
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The result is up in the air - stewards looking at several drivers (including both McLarens and Webber) for not slowing sufficiently in the yellow flag zone. Looks like Alonso might get his podium points after all...
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