Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

[beelsebob]

@beelsebob: They do take the curcumstances into account thus investigating it. If they didn't they'd just deal out punishment

Agreed, I'm not stating that the FIA shouldn't be investigating, or that they made a mistake – I'm stating that it's naïve to go "ahahahah beginners mistake" when two WCs and Webber do it, especially when they're on brand new soft tyres.

[roost89]

@beelsebob: They do take the curcumstances into account thus investigating it. If they didn't they'd just deal out punishment

Agreed, I'm not stating that the FIA shouldn't be investigating, or that they made a mistake – I'm stating that it's naïve to go "ahahahah beginners mistake" when two WCs and Webber do it, especially when they're on brand new soft tyres.

Gotya Misunderstood for a moment

[SiLo]

I can't see them getting penalties as they were on new soft tyres, which were a lot faster than old softs.

If that were the case, what happens if someone goes from worn hard tyres to new softs in a yellow flag zone? The driver might as well stop and wait for a couple of seconds, then resume his lap so as not to be faster.

[beelsebob]

I can't see them getting penalties as they were on new soft tyres, which were a lot faster than old softs.

If that were the case, what happens if someone goes from worn hard tyres to new softs in a yellow flag zone? The driver might as well stop and wait for a couple of seconds, then resume his lap so as not to be faster.

I'm pretty sure they'll look at the telemetry, check that there's a lift in there, and then throw the penalties out. They probably pulled them before the stewards specifically because they need to do that to look at the telemetry though.

I'm surprised that Vettel isn't there, having set the same sector time as Hamilton that lap.

[Ciro Pabón]

There are two classes in F1. The four cars ahead are unreachable. I don't know what's going on, to be frank. This gap will be huge by December, if trend continues.

Sometimes these races remind me of ALMS, where you have several classes, because if instead of looking to the front you check the rear of the pack... well, are they full F1s? I would say: maybe.

Now that overtaking is solved and the car trains have been cleared, the pecking order is clearer and stricter than ever...

[andrew]

It's a bit like the McLaren domination of the 80s with Alain Prost and Niki Lauda. They were just stupidly fast!

[ringo]

@ beelseboob, yeah the last turn i mean.
Rebull was untouchable there. Reminds me of Petrov being followed by Alonso in abu dhabi.
It's a good think Lewis didn't take any big risks in trying to pass Vettel.

I wonder what happened to the ferraris?
Massa was saying they weren't so good on the hards right after qualifying and the race showed what he was really getting at.

The harder tyre helped the redbull even more in this race, as a lack of drop off reduces the chances of a surpise attack due to pit strategy materializing at the ened of the race.

[beelsebob]

There are two classes in F1. The four cars ahead are unreachable. I don't know what's going on, to be frank. This gap will be huge by December, if trend continues.

The trend to me isn't that clear. I think again we have different tracks for different drivers.

At monaco I would expect Merc with their short wheelbase to be doing very well, and I expect McLaren to be very very quick at Canada.

[Ciro Pabón]

Yeah, maybe. Some cars (I mean, some manufacturers) can push ahead under different conditions, but the drivers... have been they erased as factors? Not completely, I know, but they seem underwhelmed, if you get my drift. Take Alonso for example. He has embarked in a 5 years contract with a manufacturer that right now has no chance of moving over 5th or so (well, maybe if they race on the Moon or something, I concede) apparently embarking on another "Schumacher". By this, I mean, embarking on a multi year development program. It's almost as if the difference in money invetsted in the different brands and the amount of concentration of talent this provokes, has obliterated personalities and nowadays drivers only form part of the steamrolling machine that the manufacturer brands are.

Am I exaggerating a bit? Nah, I don't think so. I haven't done it for hundreds and hundreds of years...

[ringo]

There are two classes in F1. The four cars ahead are unreachable. I don't know what's going on, to be frank. This gap will be huge by December, if trend continues.

The trend to me isn't that clear. I think again we have different tracks for different drivers.

At monaco I would expect Merc with their short wheelbase to be doing very well, and I expect McLaren to be very very quick at Canada.

Renault looks like a Monaco monster with their exhaust.

[Poleman]

The cars (RB and McLaren) in the last 2 stints on hard tyres they were preety dead even.However they were strong in different departments.RedBull with massive downforce out of corners 3 and 9 and onto the final corner but if anyone noticed the much better turn in of the MP4-26 that made the car really quick over the rest of the track.The front end of the Macca was so responsive in Hamilton's hands.Even with KERS working for those few laps Vettel couldnt pull a gap from Hamilton.

[beelsebob]

Reprimands for the McLaren drivers – not sure about the others yet.

[andrew]

Reprimands for the McLaren drivers – not sure about the others yet.

Very fair indeed. If anything they have gotten off lightly, going by what Coulthard is saying.

I imagine that the others will get the same.

[beelsebob]

Reprimands for the McLaren drivers – not sure about the others yet.

Very fair indeed. If anything they have gotten off lightly, going by what Coulthard is saying.

I imagine that the others will get the same.

I'm not sure I agree about getting off lightly. It sounds to me like they were shown to not have sped, but still got rapped on the knuckles. I'd like to see what the Steward's report says about it.

[beelsebob]

Reprimands for the McLaren drivers – not sure about the others yet.

Very fair indeed. If anything they have gotten off lightly, going by what Coulthard is saying.

I imagine that the others will get the same.

I'm not sure I agree about getting off lightly. It sounds to me like they were shown to not have sped, but still got rapped on the knuckles. I'd like to see what the Steward's report says about it.

Same for Webber and Alguersuari.