When is the time to switch to 2012 car development?

[timbo]

Not entirely relevant here... but I would expect McLaren will need a redesign too... Their current design is all about feeding the beam wing, which will ceases to exist next year.

next year? I though only in 2013

[beelsebob]

Not entirely relevant here... but I would expect McLaren will need a redesign too... Their current design is all about feeding the beam wing, which will ceases to exist next year.

next year? I though only in 2013

Ah whoops, my bad

[raymondu999]

The biggest thing with the McLaren in 2012, I think, will be the periscope exhausts.

I should reiterate I don't think that Ferrari and Red Bull will be complete redraws. They will develop on their existing concepts, but some of their developments will have to take a few strides of creativity

[dren]

The biggest thing with the McLaren in 2012, I think, will be the periscope exhausts.

I should reiterate I don't think that Ferrari and Red Bull will be complete redraws. They will develop on their existing concepts, but some of their developments will have to take a few strides of creativity

Maybe a pull rod for the Ferrari rear.

[Pierce89]

If I read the previous several posts correctly, it seems some of you think that RBR will be at a disadvantage because Newey will have to design a "new" car (based on the assumption that the current car has reached its peak). It also appears Ferrari will have a "new" car. I have no idea where McLaren is in the development life cycle, but I have no doubt that Newey can design a new car from a clean sheet of paper with the best of them. I trust Newey has developed new ideas as he has developed his current car and that those ideas will lead to an excellent new design. Ferrari has its work cut out for it.

I didn't say RBR will be at a disadvantage. I only said I belive Newey needs something new because Ferrari and Mclaren have finally chased it down. I didn't say scrap the whole concept or anything like that but it's a proven fact Newey is at his best with fairly new rules.So, in summary, no RBR disadvantage, just no RBR advantage either. I think next year will start fairly even like the last few races have been

Now, to get on topic, I think Ferrari will have the most elaborate Monza kit, but I hope they're fast corner strength of late will help in Spa also

[Hemsy]

If I read the previous several posts correctly, it seems some of you think that RBR will be at a disadvantage because Newey will have to design a "new" car (based on the assumption that the current car has reached its peak). It also appears Ferrari will have a "new" car. I have no idea where McLaren is in the development life cycle, but I have no doubt that Newey can design a new car from a clean sheet of paper with the best of them. I trust Newey has developed new ideas as he has developed his current car and that those ideas will lead to an excellent new design. Ferrari has its work cut out for it.

I didn't say RBR will be at a disadvantage. I only said I belive Newey needs something new because Ferrari and Mclaren have finally chased it down. I didn't say scrap the whole concept or anything like that but it's a proven fact Newey is at his best with fairly new rules.So, in summary, no RBR disadvantage, just no RBR advantage either. I think next year will start fairly even like the last few races have been

Now, to get on topic, I think Ferrari will have the most elaborate Monza kit, but I hope they're fast corner strength of late will help in Spa also

I believe that RBR will still have an advantage. Regarding Ferrari and Mclaren eating into their advantage, the same could be said about last year yet RBR is on top this year. We all believed that after the slow start Ferrari made last season, they would start on an equal footing this year. Plus with the fixed weight distribution no longer mandated, there will be even more variables for Ferrari to take into account to build an RBR beater.

[aral]

The biggest thing with the McLaren in 2012, I think, will be the periscope exhausts.

I should reiterate I don't think that Ferrari and Red Bull will be complete redraws. They will develop on their existing concepts, but some of their developments will have to take a few strides of creativity

ALL cars will have periscope exhausts next year, exiting at the same point. It's in the rules.

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

Rumor has it that F150 Italia will have some sort of flexi wing at Spa.
@f1enignma: "A new flexi wing story regarding Ferrari is or will come out soon. Hungary and Spa are the places that those stories come to live "

[ecapox]

why are we talking about 2012 cars, let alone mclaren and redbull in the F150 thread?

[raymondu999]

The biggest thing with the McLaren in 2012, I think, will be the periscope exhausts.

I should reiterate I don't think that Ferrari and Red Bull will be complete redraws. They will develop on their existing concepts, but some of their developments will have to take a few strides of creativity

ALL cars will have periscope exhausts next year, exiting at the same point. It's in the rules.

Sorry, I meant because the McLaren had the U-sidepods

[beelsebob]

The biggest thing with the McLaren in 2012, I think, will be the periscope exhausts.

I should reiterate I don't think that Ferrari and Red Bull will be complete redraws. They will develop on their existing concepts, but some of their developments will have to take a few strides of creativity

ALL cars will have periscope exhausts next year, exiting at the same point. It's in the rules.

Sorry, I meant because the McLaren had the U-sidepods

I'm not convinced that they'll struggle at all – in fact, they may get some advantage in using the exhaust flows as curtains to keep air in the channels beyond the end of the physical U-pods.

[raymondu999]

That's a very interesting concept. You're suggesting they run the exhausts behind the "U" shape, and running overrun mapping to create an air wall, similar to how teams are now using the EBD as an air skirt?

[donskar]

If the "U" sidepods are an advantage, then Ferrari/RBR will copy them. Periscope exhausts? Ferrari was one of the first to use them successfully. I don't think next year's Ferrari will be an evolution, but then does aanyone remember Mike Pilbeam (ex-BRM designer) saying, "in F1, if you redesign a mounting bracket, you csall it a new car"?

[raymondu999]

I highly doubt RBR will go U-sidepod. They have come very close to perfection with their tight sidepod concept. To change to u-sidepod would be to bin 3 years of research, development, testing and yada yada.

[Gilles 27]

IMHO with the "new" periscope exhaust next year, another concept would be very interesting, to create and search more down force.
The Double Floor. Like them from Toro Rosso this year.
I think now that the aerodynamic can be better analysed, the aerodynamic development would be more accurate in this section of the car.

The periscope exhaust is not a novelty, so than they would focus on the sectors which have been neglected in the past.