Belgian GP 2011 - Spa-Francorchamps

[bill shoe]

Suggest you take a look at documents 21, 22, and 23.

I stand corrected. These documents were not shown in the press releases, just in the "on event" information (!!??)

Perhaps you could help me find the documents that state the 107% rule only applies if all teams are within 107%.

It's so f*cking hard to be a non-cynical F1 fan when the FIA is in charge.

[raymondu999]

The 107% rule says that all drivers has to show he is able to lap within 107% of the P1 time in Q1. Their dry FP2 times would have been definitely within that.

[Lycoming]

It wouldnt have been fair to not allow msc to race considering why he failed to set a time.

and I dont believe there is any such rule. As far as I'm aware, the only regulation pertaining to 107% rule is article 36.3 of the sporting regulations, and its quite simple.

During Q1, any driver whose best qualifying lap exceeds 107% of the fastest time set during that session
will not be allowed to take part in the race. Under exceptional circumstances however, which may include
setting a suitable lap time in a free practice session, the stewards may permit the car to start the race.
Should there be more than one driver accepted in this manner, the grid order will be determined by the
stewards.
In either case, a competitor will not be able to appeal against the stewards decision.

*Quote added.

[raymondu999]

Do you mind quoting that? I don't have a copy of the rules at hand

[bill shoe]

"36.3 During Q1, any driver whose best qualifying lap exceeds 107% of the fastest time set during that session
will not be allowed to take part in the race. Under exceptional circumstances however, which may include
setting a suitable lap time in a free practice session, the stewards may permit the car to start the race.
Should there be more than one driver accepted in this manner, the grid order will be determined by the
stewards.
In either case, a competitor will not be able to appeal against the stewards decision."

Liuzzi set a time within 107% during Q2 when the track was dry. This time was around 106.5% of the session leader, barely within 107%. Is it reasonable to say that lap was a "suitable" substitute for qualifying simply because the qualifying conditions were more difficult than Q2-dry? I thought driving in difficult situations was the point of F1.

As for Schumacher, is it "exceptional" to need your wheels to remain attached to your car during qualifying? I believe this is actually a non-exceptionl requirement, so I don't care about his practice times. I guess the FIA suddenly gave up on their "wheels coming off are very dangerous" thing.

[raymondu999]

@bill; it's very exceptional in that it is a weird incident in qualifying.

Also, I believe the interpretation of the rule is just to demonstrate, at ANY point in the weekend, that you can go within 107 of the Q1 P1 time

[bill shoe]

@bill; it's very exceptional in that it is a weird incident in qualifying.

Also, I believe the interpretation of the rule is just to demonstrate, at ANY point in the weekend, that you can go within 107 of the Q1 P1 time

Fair enough, I do see your point.

Now let's argue about the Hamilton/Maldonado crash!!

[raymondu999]

Can we not? I mean, if you want to, can you at least do so in the main thread on it in General Chat?

[Donuts]

Do you mind quoting that? I don't have a copy of the rules at hand

Here you go:

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules ... gulations/

[William]

Well this is going be an interesting grand prix ; apparently FOTA and Pirelli had an emergency meeting because early estimations indicate that the soft tires aren't going to last more than 6 laps!!!

http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/28082011/83/ ... a-spa.html

Honestly if this is true this grand prix is going to be legendary as per usual with Spa

[Javert]

Pirelli amateurism.

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

From la Sexta:

- McLaren and Red Bull are asking for allowance to change front tyres because they have blistering.
- BUT Pirelli recommented not to exceed a certain camber angle. McLaren and Red Bull exceeded it, while Ferrari didn't.
- Now McLaren and Red Bull are also asking for allowance to change the set up of the car, and they request the softer compound not to be used.

Spanish TV reporting that Ferrari is fighting against Red Bull and McLaren changing tyres (for Vettel and Hamilton at least) for security reasons, as they have blistered tyres

Ferrari is right and i really hope FIA xwill stop Red Bull and Mclaren.



EDIT :

From la Sexta:

They are going to allow McLaren and Red Bull change their front tyres.

What a shame.

[Donuts]

I don't know if this is true, but if it is, then it's probably all in the name of "safety". Yeah right, no one is stopping them from changing their front wheels on the first couple of laps. If they gained advantage from this in qualifying let them suffer from it in the race.

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

Perhaps they could change the camber settings before race...

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

@andrewbensonf1: Red Bull had asked for fresh tyres because both cars blistered fronts. They're not going to get them. Bad news for Vett and Web #BBCF1”

willbuxton Will Buxton
Confirmation from Hembrey - no change in tyre regs. Drivers in top 10 start on those on which they qualified. Any change, start from pitlane

It's much better