HRT F112 Cosworth

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Will HRT be in Q2 in 2012?

Yes - at the start of the Season
16
5%
Yes - by Germany
22
7%
No - not in 2012
167
54%
Never!
103
33%
 
Total votes: 308

wesley123
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Trocola wrote:
wesley123 wrote:Well if it isnt for the money why sign Karthikeyan who probably had the largest budget of them all? I'm sorry but get those HRT glasses off. They claim their great ambitions, with great new factories and such, but cant even make up a decent driver line up. I had little faith in HRT already, it is fully lost now.
So, you are surprised because HRT have signed a pay-driver... that must have shocked you. HRT must be the first team in history to sign a driver because he brings good money. It is not like Maldonado, or Senna, or Pic, or Petrov, or...

And, even if you say everyday that De la Rosa is not a good driver, the reality is that De la Rosa is a great driver.


Trocola
Uhh where did I say that? I said that HRT cannot even make a good line up. The reason why De La Rosa didn't have a racing seat the past 10 years(except a few occations) was because he simply isnt quick enough. That he can help develop a car/give input, that is great but there are faster guys available to do the job.

And Karthikeyan, well, Rosset was better and we know how great he was. This is clearly a stupid money job that didnt even make sense. That they sign one for the cash okay, but let that be a youngster, not a guy that has proven to be too slow.

That they need money, I understand but give a guy with potential, a youngster a chance, that is greater marketing than these 2.

@Mr.S; The difference there is that Williams signs youngster with possible lookout for the future, Kartikeyan and De La rosa both are not.
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cbbcisace
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I agree with Wesley on one point HRT should have gone for a young driver.

Thinking logically though -

Petrov - seems either he is at Caterham or Pirelli
Van der Garde - seems either he is test driver for Lotus or Caterham.

So HRT had to make a decision on someone with a substantial budget which Karthikeyan brings.

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Cuky
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I think Pedro is perfect driver for team like HRT. They don't need ultra fast driver right now. They need someone who has lots of experience with car development so that they can develop their car. When they catch up with midfield guys than it would be wise to think about someone quick who could drive that car little faster.

Giblet
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Mr.S wrote:What is people's problem. Williams signs 2 Pay Drivers in Maldonando & Senna both bitter failures anyway. No1 bitches about Williams. Come on mates aint fair. HRT is a small team & needs atleast 1 Pay driver.

Hell Pic at Marussia got the seat even before last season ended with all his money.
The cars at Williams and Renault were slow and developmental dead ends given up on sometime around Monaco. The teams failed the drivers, not the other way around.

Both deserve a shot in a car less than horrible. Maldonado did a fine job at Williams and showed decent quali pace against Barichello, who is no slouch.
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wesley123
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Cuky wrote:I think Pedro is perfect driver for team like HRT. They don't need ultra fast driver right now. They need someone who has lots of experience with car development so that they can develop their car. When they catch up with midfield guys than it would be wise to think about someone quick who could drive that car little faster.
Excuse me but that is the worst excuse ever. Then De La Rosa has developped the car and both drivers are replaced they need to do the whole cycle over again due to different driver requirements.

What you are saying is like this; At McLaren they first run Paffett to get the development up to pace, and then after that start running Hamilton to get a shot to the title, and we know that isnt going to work.
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Chasis_1992
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wesley123
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Yes and who won that race? Who DNFed while in front of his teammate and which 2 title contenders also DNFed? That's right, without that happening he would have turned out 6th or 7th, still disappointing.

And so? He claimed a podium finish? He was quick once, if he was it every race he was a good choise, however he is not.

EDIT: And apart from that, nothing great about his performance either, so he overtook Schumacher? You know right that the tires schumi got werent slicks but completely destroyed intermediates? Yet with that disadvantage Schumacher still manages to keep De La Rosa behind for 3-4 laps, more of a great performance of Schumacher than De La Rosa
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Trocola
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cbbcisace wrote:I agree with Wesley on one point HRT should have gone for a young driver.

Thinking logically though -

Petrov - seems either he is at Caterham or Pirelli
Van der Garde - seems either he is test driver for Lotus or Caterham.

So HRT had to make a decision on someone with a substantial budget which Karthikeyan brings.
+1

Wesley, you are right about the young driver, but between a young driver that brings to the team 5m€ and an old one who brings +10m€, and knowing the team is, at this moment, been "rebuilt" (in need of money), I think it is a right move to bring on money on the first place and build the team. Having a great couple of drivers but having no money to go to any GP is worse.
Chasis_1992 wrote:What?

Please, remember that:

http://www.dalealplay.com/informacionde ... ?con=52940
That day was awesome.

And seeing Schumacher jumping the chicane without a drive through makes me remember Spa 2008...


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hrt
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This is the easier thing in the world, a small team needs an old driver who can improve the car (see Caterham, Marussia, Lotus...), and a pay driver who gives money to the team for research into new designs and implement them, he can be young or old the important thing is the money that he has.

TzeiTzei
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I have no problem with Narain, even though ofcourse i would have liked to see someone younger with potential behind the wheel. I agree with Trocola, the money at this point is more important than the few missing tenths in the laptime.

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Pierce89
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Giblet wrote:
Mr.S wrote:What is people's problem. Williams signs 2 Pay Drivers in Maldonando & Senna both bitter failures anyway. No1 bitches about Williams. Come on mates aint fair. HRT is a small team & needs atleast 1 Pay driver.

Hell Pic at Marussia got the seat even before last season ended with all his money.
The cars at Williams and Renault were slow and developmental dead ends given up on sometime around Monaco. The teams failed the drivers, not the other way around.

Both deserve a shot in a car less than horrible. Maldonado did a fine job at Williams and showed decent quali pace against Barichello, who is no slouch.
Maldonado did not do a fime job IMHO. Senna is nothing special and he will trounce moldy maldi.
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ESPImperium
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New Video: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=432548879979

Using one of his old BMW Sauber helmets.

Definate F111 chassis, thinking it could be chassis 002, the chassis that secured them P11 in the WCT at Canada with Liuzzis P14 finish last year.

cbbcisace
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Everyone get their thinking caps on:)

HRT car will be yellow/gold/black next season, new major sponsor perhaps??

“@lundo88: @HRTF1Team @maria_serrat Maria, Great Video, Are we expect the new car to be painted Gold/Black as your new website is that colour?”

maria_serrat: @lundo88 @hrtf1team we'll have to wait a few more days, but things are there for a reason ;)

ESPImperium
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Red and Yellow cars in F1 are cursed, the last one with red and yellow was the Winfred Williams 1998/1999 entry, those cars were poor to Williams standards, before that it was the Mastercard Lola entry. We know how that worked out.

However white with some red and yellow streaks would probably work out best, look at the Spanish national football teams away top and i think it would look classy.

New sponsor? i doubt it, however a livery simmilar to the Barwa Addax GP2 team may be posible.
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cbbcisace
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Well the tweet implies that they have to wait a couple of days for "something" Im guessing at a new sponsor.....