Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by strad » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:27 pm

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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by lebesset » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:57 pm

Primary Designs , specialist manufacturer of high performance exhaust systems have had to open a new factory in oxfordshire ..they quote growing demand from F1 teams as one of the reasons

maybe we can expect lots of developments in this field in 2012 to get the maximum out of the new rules !
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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by Spankyham » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:38 am

Can anyone enlighten me as to what, if any restrictions there are on wind tunnel testing? I heard the scale of the WT is a factor...
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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by allstaruk08 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:31 am

22.9 With the exception of the full scale testing permitted in 22.4(c)(iii), no wind tunnel testing may be carried out using a scale model which is greater than 60% of full size.

22.10 No wind tunnel testing may be carried out at a speed exceeding 50 metres/second.

22.4 (c) (iii) Four one day aerodynamic tests carried out on FIA approved straight line or constant radius sites between 1 January of the current year and the start of the last Event of the Championship. Any of these days may be substituted for four hours of wind]on full scale wind tunnel testing to be carried out in a single twenty four hour period.

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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by Spankyham » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:55 pm

Thanks allstar :-)
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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by raymondu999 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:44 pm

When they say 60% scale; does that mean; 60% length; 60% height and 60% width? Or 84% of the width/length/height? (.84^3 = 0.6). i.e. is it on a scale of 10:6 as you'd find on a map; or is it in terms of volume?
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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by beelsebob » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:47 pm

raymondu999 wrote:When they say 60% scale; does that mean; 60% length; 60% height and 60% width? Or 84% of the width/length/height? (.84^3 = 0.6). i.e. is it on a scale of 10:6 as you'd find on a map; or is it in terms of volume?
I would expect linear scale, but I don't have the document to confirm it.

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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by mx_tifoso » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:26 am

What are the odds that F1 doesn't change the regulations for 2013? The last year before the V6. It would be nice to see what happens with at least two years in a row with the same regs.
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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by wesley123 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:27 am

Based on what happened previous years i would say 1% :P
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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by godlameroso » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:30 pm

Do the cars get more kers power next year?
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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by MIKEY_! » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:53 am

Don't think so. I haven't heard anything at least.

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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by Cold Fussion » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:47 am

mx_tifoso wrote:What are the odds that F1 doesn't change the regulations for 2013? The last year before the V6. It would be nice to see what happens with at least two years in a row with the same regs.
For a final swan song, they should let the v8's rev to 20-22k rpm like they were designed to.

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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by jenkF1 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:23 am

Cold Fussion wrote:
mx_tifoso wrote:What are the odds that F1 doesn't change the regulations for 2013? The last year before the V6. It would be nice to see what happens with at least two years in a row with the same regs.
For a final swan song, they should let the v8's rev to 20-22k rpm like they were designed to.
Maybe an overide button that disengages the rev limiter completely? 30,000 rpm overtakes and quali trim for the last race of the season :?: :lol:
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Re: Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

Post by officialsushy » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:39 pm

lol
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It would be funny if someone had done that lol.Cooling will be perfect but not aero efficient

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Re: Rules - Old, New and Musings

Post by outer_bongolia » Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:46 am

I really don't know if this belongs to here, but it seems like efforts of FIA to slow down the cars by reducing the downforce have always resulted in ugliness that we got used to.
They are trying to achieve this by controlling the dimensions and the geometry of the car very heavily. And this makes the teams waste millions on a tip of a wing.
Just from some simple physics, the lateral acceleration as a function of speed should be something like:
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So, why doesn't FIA say
[*]The maximum dimensions of the car is x, y, and z.
[*]If the official measurements of lateral acceleration at a given speed exceeds a certain value given by f(v), the car gets a drive-thru. If it exceeds it by more than 2%, the car gets disqualified from the race.
[*]Now, you can go play with your car as long as it obeys the safety regulations listed somewhere else.

And for cost cutting, they could allow only a certain number of design changes to front wings, floors, rear wings, and the rest of the parts. So, if you start the season with a dog car, you will still have some options to throw in through the season. For example, something like 4 front wing design changes per season would be plenty (of course, one can adjust the winglets with a screwdriver, so on, so forth).

Is this too dumb of a proposal?
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