Bahrain GP situation: postponed, reinstated, cancelled

Post here all non technical related topics about Formula One. This includes race results, discussions, testing analysis etc. TV coverage and other personal questions should be in Off topic chat.

Race in Bahrain?

Yes.
27
29%
Don't care either way.
7
8%
No.
59
63%
 
Total votes: 93

User avatar
Hail22
144
Joined: 08 Feb 2012, 07:22

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

Websta wrote:No way am I waiting 4 weeks between the Chinese GP and Spanish GP. They had better get a Turkish GP sorted pronto if they are going to cancel the Bahrain GP.
Or go to Fuji for the Grand prix and keep Suzuka for later in the year?
If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari.

Gilles Villeneuve

User avatar
SeijaKessen
4
Joined: 08 Jan 2012, 21:34
Location: USA

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

Hail22 wrote:
Websta wrote:No way am I waiting 4 weeks between the Chinese GP and Spanish GP. They had better get a Turkish GP sorted pronto if they are going to cancel the Bahrain GP.
Or go to Fuji for the Grand prix and keep Suzuka for later in the year?
Better yet...

Keep Spa every year and add Paul Ricard in place of Bahrain. :D

Or go back to Argentina.

User avatar
Websta
0
Joined: 05 Feb 2012, 15:18

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

Having only one GP in 7 weeks at the start of the season is bush league. If Bahrain is cancelled, they had better damn stay in Shanghai and have another race.

Cold Fussion
Cold Fussion
93
Joined: 19 Dec 2010, 04:51

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

Thank god this is being canceled, it's a shame it isn't being canceled because of how poor it has been ever since it started.

manchild
manchild
12
Joined: 03 Jun 2005, 10:54

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

Now that is a great advice for someone fed up of life. They should just act like sheeps - gather up and than go for 50-50 odds if Bahrain tyrant will shoot at them or not. No wonder this comes from a man who praised Hitler.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/fe ... uipment-uk
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 14 February 2012 15.49 GMT wrote:
Bahrain receives military equipment from UK despite violent crackdown

Britain sold over £1m worth of weapons including rifles and artillery to Gulf kingdom during last year's unrest

Bahraini security forces in Manama during clashes with protesters.

Britain has continued to sell arms to Bahrain despite continuing political unrest in the Gulf state, new official figures disclose.

According to the figures the government approved the sale of military equipment valued at more than £1m in the months following the violent crackdown on demonstrators a year ago. They included licences for gun silencers, weapons sights, rifles, artillery and components for military training aircraft.

Also cleared for export to Bahrain between July and September last year were naval guns and components for detecting and jamming improvised explosive devices. No export licences were refused.

Security forces in Bahrain fired teargas and stun grenades at protesters in pre-dawn skirmishes before Tuesday's first anniversary of the uprising in the Gulf kingdom. Armoured vehicles patrolled the capital, Manama, in a security clampdown after protesters flung volleys of petrol bombs at police cars. There was also a massive police presence in Shia Muslim villages ringing Manama, with helicopters buzzing overhead, underlining the concerns of the Sunni-Muslim-led monarchy about a new explosion of civil unrest by Bahrain's disgruntled Shia majority.

After the exposure a year ago of Britain's approval of arms sales, including crowd control equipment, guns, and ammunition to Bahrain, Libya and Egypt, the government revoked 158 export licences, including 44 covering military exports to Bahrain.

The latest figures, published on the Department for Business, Innovation, and Skills website, also show that during the third quarter of last year Britain exported arms valued at more than £1m to Saudi Arabia, including components for military combat vehicles and turrets. During last year's uprising, Saudi Arabia sent forces to Bahrain in British military trucks.

Britain also supplied equipment, including components for military combat vehicles, weapons night sights, communications and rangefinding, valued at more than £1m, to Egypt's armed forces.

Vince Cable, the business secretary, admitted to a committee of MPs last week: "We do trade with governments that are not democratic and have bad human rights records … We do business with repressive governments and there's no denying that."

He was giving evidence to the Commons committee on arms export controls whose chairman, the former Conservative defence minister Sir John Stanley, accused the government of adopting a "rosy-tinted" and "over-optimistic" approach to authoritarian regimes.

The foreign secretary, William Hague, told the committee that Saudi forces were sent into Bahrain last year "to guard installations but not to take part in dealing with unrest in Bahrain so they did not fall foul [of the export guidelines]".

On Saudi Arabia, Hague said the government had raised concerns about its treatment of women and foreign workers. But 99% of Britain's exports to the kingdom consisted of Typhoon jets. "They are not relevant to our concerns about these rights," the foreign secretary said.

Cable announced that the government had reviewed its system of monitoring arms exports and that in future ministers would be able to "suspend" arms exports quickly in the event of political upheaval or a regional crisis.

Sarah Waldron, campaign co-ordinator for CAAT, the campaign against the arms trade, said: "The UK seems to have learned absolutely nothing from the last year. In the glare of media attention in February last year it revoked some arms licences – but the latest figures show it was quickly back to business as usual."

A decision by the Obama administration to agree a $1m arms sale to Bahrain was attacked last week by Human Rights Watch.

"Bahrain has made many promises to cease abuses and hold officials accountable, but it hasn't delivered," said Maria McFarland, the group's deputy Washington director. "Protesters remain jailed on criminal charges for peacefully speaking out and there has been little accountability for torture and killings – crimes in which the Bahrain Defence Force is implicated."

The US state department said the equipment included spare parts and maintenance of equipment needed for Bahrain's external defence and support of US Navy Fifth Fleet operations. But the US, in common with the UK, has not made public a full list of equipment to be supplied to Bahrain, or elsewhere.

A spokesperson for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills said: "The government takes its export responsibilities very seriously, and operates one of the most rigorous arms export control regimes in the world. All licence applications are considered on a case by case basis against agreed international criteria. Each assessment we make takes into account the intended end use of the equipment, the behaviour of the end user … We pay particular attention to allegations of human rights abuses."

The Commons arms export controls committee said in a stinging report last year: "Both the present government and its predecessor misjudged the risk that arms approved for export to certain authoritarian countries in north Africa and the Middle East might be used for internal repression."

DaveKillens
DaveKillens
34
Joined: 20 Jan 2005, 04:02

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

The FIA and Formula One are officially politically neutral. But all too often the cameras show Bernie walking some prince or politician around the grid before the race. And of course, some princes or politicians are always present to hand out the trophies.

In the interests of remaining neutral, the leadership and princes should be informed that they will not receive any recognition, nor will TV cameras be allowed to show them. I suggest that anyone willing to demonstrate only view the race, and avoid any pre-race show and the podium ceremony.
Racing should be decided on the track, not the court room.

User avatar
PlatinumZealot
559
Joined: 12 Jun 2008, 03:45

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

Forum posters don't care about the Bahrain people anyway, they just love talking politics.

I am in support of the GP, because I think international sports always bring a good message.
🖐️✌️☝️👀👌✍️🐎🏆🙏

Racing Green in 2028

manchild
manchild
12
Joined: 03 Jun 2005, 10:54

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

If that was aimed at me, I don't like talking politics, it is actually one of the things I hate most, but I can't be silent on injustice which politics of big players brings to common people, no matter how bad such talk will make me nervous and angry. BTW, this "political thread" wasn't started by WB, me or anyone else here, it was started by Bernie.

User avatar
SeijaKessen
4
Joined: 08 Jan 2012, 21:34
Location: USA

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

n smikle wrote:Forum posters don't care about the Bahrain people anyway, they just love talking politics.

I am in support of the GP, because I think international sports always bring a good message.
International sports tend to be the poster childs for corruption and greed.

The Olympics are a prime example of why international sports can be horrific. As much as I like certain ones, they are used as a political tool first, and as a sporting event second. You cannot separate the politics from the competition at all...you can choose to ignore the link, but ignoring doesn't make the link go away.

FIFA is perhaps the most corrupt governing body in sports...one has to look no further than the rigged bidding that occurred for the last 2 World Cups awarded as well as a whole slew of other incidents.

If anything, international sports have always helped to further hammer home the impression that everyone operates on an unequal playing field rather than an equal one.

The FIA already proved this years ago with Formula 1, and still do actually.

F1 doesn't care about the plight of the Bahrainian people, or the people of any other oppressed country for that matter. The decisions made have to do with money, not any desire to shine some light on human injustice. If they did care, they would have said no amount of money can buy a Grand Prix race...however we know this is not true.

User avatar
Shakeman
33
Joined: 21 Mar 2011, 13:31
Location: UK

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

n smikle wrote:Forum posters don't care about the Bahrain people anyway, they just love talking politics.

I am in support of the GP, because I think international sports always bring a good message.
A more naive statement you'll be hard pressed to find.

The F1 circus rolling into town now would just serve to provide the regime with the legitimacy they crave which is precisely why they spent the cash in the first place.

If you support the Bahrain GP you support a most vile regime.

User avatar
Hail22
144
Joined: 08 Feb 2012, 07:22

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

SeijaKessen wrote:
Hail22 wrote:
Websta wrote:No way am I waiting 4 weeks between the Chinese GP and Spanish GP. They had better get a Turkish GP sorted pronto if they are going to cancel the Bahrain GP.
Or go to Fuji for the Grand prix and keep Suzuka for later in the year?
Better yet...

Keep Spa every year and add Paul Ricard in place of Bahrain. :D

Or go back to Argentina.
Spa to me is like Jerusalem, a place of worship for all Formula 1 Fans, Enthusiasts...if they get rid of this circuit or have it interchanging with the French GP I will not support the sport any longer.

If you get rid of Spa you basically slapping fans and enthusiasts in the face...

So I agree...keep Spa and put Paul Richard as an individual race.

And to make sure the Asian leg is safe just replace Bahrain with Singapore. its still quite warm this time of year...
If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari.

Gilles Villeneuve

User avatar
strad
117
Joined: 02 Jan 2010, 01:57

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

To hold the race now would be to put on this public face that all is good,,everythig is ok...And nothing could be further from the truth.
To achieve anything, you must be prepared to dabble on the boundary of disaster.”
Sir Stirling Moss

User avatar
strad
117
Joined: 02 Jan 2010, 01:57

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

This resent quote by Sheik Salman bin Isa Al-Khalifa exemlifies the problem..They think we are worried about our and the teams safety, not human rights. If we go we endorse them.
A "global event with so much exposure" will benefit Bahrain economically and politically.

"There will be so much good with Formula One back in Bahrain. I am confident that all measures will be taken to ensure the safety of the teams and fans."
And I have to wonder what those measures will be.
To achieve anything, you must be prepared to dabble on the boundary of disaster.”
Sir Stirling Moss

mx_tifoso
mx_tifoso
0
Joined: 30 Nov 2006, 05:01
Location: North America

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

The recently opened Bahrain thread has been merged int the original one, and providing that it doesn't go off topic it will remain open. But anything similar to what happened before will lead to it being locked.
Forum guide: read before posting

"You do it, then it's done." - Kimi Räikkönen

Por las buenas soy amigo, por las malas soy campeón.

User avatar
PlatinumZealot
559
Joined: 12 Jun 2008, 03:45

Re: Ecclestone gives advice to Bahrain protesters

Post

strad wrote:This resent quote by Sheik Salman bin Isa Al-Khalifa exemlifies the problem..They think we are worried about our and the teams safety, not human rights. If we go we endorse them.
A "global event with so much exposure" will benefit Bahrain economically and politically.

"There will be so much good with Formula One back in Bahrain. I am confident that all measures will be taken to ensure the safety of the teams and fans."
And I have to wonder what those measures will be.
So what does human rights have to do with F1? The human rights are just about the same as any other Muslim country. They are fine with themselves. Look how many Human rights breaches occur in the USA every year. The same for China, Malaysia, Russia and ANYWHERE else in the world. F1 is a blessing to this people why should anyone have the right to deny them an F1 race? Why should we westerners use F1 as a political sanction? Why? Should other international sports not be played their as well?
🖐️✌️☝️👀👌✍️🐎🏆🙏

Racing Green in 2028