2012 Car Development

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godlameroso wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:I will go out on a limb and say that in early 2012 two things will get the main attention.

1. exhaust solutions, you need to change the direction the exhaust gasses take at the end pipe from upward to downward. And then you have to have them hit something to produce downforce.
You'd think that, but no, the exhaust gasses don't have to "hit" anything to produce downforce. The exhaust gasses just have to "interact" with the surrounding air stream to gain their benefit. It essentially acts as a magnifier for any vortex, provided you have a way to aim the exhausts towards the center of said vortex. Now you can have a strong vortex that doesn't interact with any relevant or useful part of bodywork, ala Ferrari, or Lotus F.E.E.(wasn't very effective at low speed in this case) and end up with a dud.
Thank you for explaining this. Your description is a lot more detailed but it changes nothing with regard to the development strategies. Exhaust design seems the big thing this year and I'm a bit surprised that Newey did not get it right immediately. He was beaten by McLaren. So one question that I have is about Red Bull. Can they optimize their system or will they have to use something that is smarter?
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I don't think there is a lot of lee-way in how exhausts are configured, personally I think Sauber has the best solution thus far. They just have a lousy mechanical suspension compared to the other top teams. Red Bull will just have to optimize what they have, quite frankly their car isn't slow, not by a long shot, they just don't have the same advantage that they've enjoyed the past two years. This means they have to work harder to set up the car, and not just setup, but also understanding the nuances with the car(in other words any deficiency in their organization will be more obvious). Last year, and the year before that, the RB's were missing practice sessions and still qualifying 3-4 tenths up the field, more when they were prepared. This year, to win a race they have to be on top of their game because everything is closer now.
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That could be a part of it. And how do we explain that Vettel is slower than Webber atm? Was he simply better at extracting performance from the EBD?

If this is a simple setup issue we will see Red Bull getting on top of it pretty fast. If the McLaren exhaust solution is so much better as some people think then we will see mods from Red Bull as well.
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Perhaps Vettel just had "bigger attachments" and could push harder in qualifying, I don't believe Vettel was leaps and bounds faster than Webber in race pace.
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godlameroso wrote:I don't think there is a lot of lee-way in how exhausts are configured, personally I think Sauber has the best solution thus far. They just have a lousy mechanical suspension compared to the other top teams. Red Bull will just have to optimize what they have, quite frankly their car isn't slow, not by a long shot, they just don't have the same advantage that they've enjoyed the past two years. This means they have to work harder to set up the car, and not just setup, but also understanding the nuances with the car(in other words any deficiency in their organization will be more obvious). Last year, and the year before that, the RB's were missing practice sessions and still qualifying 3-4 tenths up the field, more when they were prepared. This year, to win a race they have to be on top of their game because everything is closer now.
I think the RB solution is probably better than Saubers. I would venture to say RB has more potential development with their solution mainly due to manpower & money. I would say their solution is better technically because it seems to allow for less disturbance of lateral airflow due to their duct. I think they just haven't quite figured it all out yet seeing as how they were later to implement it.
I also think people are overstating the performance of the C31 this year. Don't get me wrong I think it's a very good car, especially considering the Sauber budget.

Insofar as developments, I expect to see some teams copy Saubers split floor in front of the rear tyre for China & possibly the rest of the year.

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C31 is probably 1-3 tenths down on race pace over mclaren red bull or lotus, probably in the same ballpark as williams everyone else is behind atm.
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