Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by seinfeld » Fri May 11, 2012 5:01 am

FrukostScones wrote:Image

maybe they need it for their ddrs
picture comparison: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 07992.html

I was about to say that as well. I dont have an explanation for it, but that seems logical!

I must say they are still keeping it looking very sexy. I hope they dont go crazy stepping like all the other teams. Its truly a monstrosity of car design to allow such mongoloid looking cars period!

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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by kebab » Fri May 11, 2012 5:22 am

seinfeld wrote:
FrukostScones wrote: maybe they need it for their ddrs
picture comparison: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 07992.html
I was about to say that as well. I dont have an explanation for it, but that seems logical!
I don't think the change is for DDRS readiness. What stop them build the DDRS in with the old nose given the fact that the new nose is thinner? This is more about moving the high nose design philosophy for better airflow.

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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by FemiA » Fri May 11, 2012 6:35 am

ringo wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Oh just wait until Ringo see's this new McLaren nose. :lol: He's been on about the low nose from day one.

I don't think it's a big deal. Why not switch to something that works better if the team determines it is in fact better. The low nose can't be attributed directly to any poor performances.

Haven't been on here in a while..
Saw it from a mile away.
Yes it was only natural they switched. The regulations are so tight that every little performance advantage that can be had, must be had.

The mclaren nose was a dead spot; it was knowingly un-maximized. They knew it wasn't the best aerodynamically, but they thought it had something special to it. Desingn tradition and culture is to blame for this.
Anyway, there is no advantage aerodynamically with a low nose.
The aim is to get equal with the other teams, then find something to get ahead.

If you want to work the tyres right, you need the down-force; in the most consistent way which is at the center of the car. The higher the nose the faster and less disturbed the air is going to the floor and splitter.
When you wrote "the higher the nose" do you mean relative to the back of the car or the ground or both?

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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by kebab » Fri May 11, 2012 6:49 am

I understand it as the higher the underside of the nose in relation to the ground. In other words more space under the nose.

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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by raymondu999 » Fri May 11, 2012 7:31 am

Surely it's the nose to front wing rather than nose to the ground?
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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by timbo » Fri May 11, 2012 9:11 am

They run a test rig at the dffuser and some hump on the nose. What's that? Preparation for higher tub?

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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by myoozikk » Fri May 11, 2012 9:13 am

According to Whitmarsh, yes.

New vanes on the top of the sidepods as well.

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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by ajdavison2 » Fri May 11, 2012 9:16 am

I was going to ask the same, also that Ham running low nose, and But running high nose, do people think this is driver preference or just the usual back-to-back testing of parts? One more question, I think I'm right in saying it's the start of Q1 when parc ferme comes into action, so that's when a decision needs to be made?

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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by myoozikk » Fri May 11, 2012 9:20 am

The bridge on the nose has already been removed. So must have been the visibility test as mentioned.

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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by Hail22 » Fri May 11, 2012 9:35 am

Well its sort of Technical...the Mclaren crew has a new light systems on the jack to make sure everyone has compelted their duty by changing tyres (pointing at several pit failures from Macca in the earlier rounds).

Front wing looks to be working well for Button (visibility issues).
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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by astracrazy » Fri May 11, 2012 9:37 am

ajdavison2 wrote:I was going to ask the same, also that Ham running low nose, and But running high nose, do people think this is driver preference or just the usual back-to-back testing of parts? One more question, I think I'm right in saying it's the start of Q1 when parc ferme comes into action, so that's when a decision needs to be made?
back to back at this stage but I wouldn't be surprised if both drivers alternate between both as well.

they will need to decide up to the start of q1. But i would expect they'd know by p3

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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by adrianjordan » Fri May 11, 2012 9:43 am

Hail22 wrote:Well its sort of Technical...the Mclaren crew has a new light systems on the jack to make sure everyone has compelted their duty by changing tyres (pointing at several pit failures from Macca in the earlier rounds).
I'll try and find a link to back this up, but McLaren have had that since the beginning of the season.
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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by Owen.C93 » Fri May 11, 2012 10:07 am

New vanes on top of the sidepod.
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Front wing remains the same, kinda disappointed with McLaren updates this season.
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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by Huntresa » Fri May 11, 2012 10:08 am

Owen.C93 wrote:New vanes on top of the sidepod.
[img]http://www.formula1.com/wi/sutton/2012/ ... 80.jpg[img]
Front wing remains the same, kinda disappointed with McLaren updates this season.
You do realize whitmarsch said the front wing is also new, changes doesnt need to be massive and it can be on the underside of the fw aswell.
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Re: Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

Post by Owen.C93 » Fri May 11, 2012 10:10 am

Huntresa wrote:
Owen.C93 wrote:New vanes on top of the sidepod.
[img]http://www.formula1.com/wi/sutton/2012/ ... 80.jpg[img]
Front wing remains the same, kinda disappointed with McLaren updates this season.
You do realize whitmarsch said the front wing is also new, changes doesnt need to be massive and it can be on the underside of the fw aswell.
Doesn't look very new. All teams bring little tweaks, but also they have brought new ideas and significantly updated parts.
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