Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

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Owen.C93
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GrizzleBoy wrote:
ringo wrote:
GrizzleBoy wrote: Possibly, simply because the old nose on its own provided a lot of angle of attack.

The new nose now has almost the same angle going over the top and bottom with more pressure underneath it, which is going to cause lift and probably contribute to the "unbelievable understeer" than Button is talking about.
Not necessarily the case. The pressure will be lower underneath due to the higher speed of air under the nose.
If your theory was correct the sauber would take off in flight, looking on their nose.
Aeroplanes use higher air speed underneath the wing than above, plus an angle of attack that forces the air downwards under the wing to create lift.
It's the opposite way around. Faster air above = lift, faster air below = Downforce.
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GrizzleBoy
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I'm gonna stop typing now.

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AnthonyG wrote:Gears in an F1 (and many other race cars) are mounted after one-another. (dogbox) In real life this means, it's quite easy to change the ratios in a short time.
You think? Note how the final drive is installed after the transmission section. Is that going to come off in a short time?

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GrizzleBoy wrote:I'm gonna stop typing now.
Lol ok. I think I agree with the other stuff you said, but I just don't think the air under the nose will be faster. I would say it creates lift.
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Anyway. Hopefully we will get more angles of this shot.

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Not much marbles on the tires. Perhaps he´s well above the minimum weight?

Edit: might not be much to pick up now that i think about it..
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Owen.C93 wrote:
GrizzleBoy wrote:I'm gonna stop typing now.
Lol ok. I think I agree with the other stuff you said, but I just don't think the air under the nose will be faster. I would say it creates lift.
Button,with the new nose on his car, was suffering understeer yesterday, and the car was unstable. This certainly implies that the nose was lifting. When the old nose was refitted, he went faster. Today, the new nose was refitted for quali, and Button is off pace again with handling problems.

So the altered airflow is obviously lightening the front end, and this can only be due to LIFT.

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gilgen wrote:Button,with the new nose on his car, was suffering understeer yesterday, and the car was unstable. This certainly implies that the nose was lifting. When the old nose was refitted, he went faster. Today, the new nose was refitted for quali, and Button is off pace again with handling problems.

So the altered airflow is obviously lightening the front end, and this can only be due to LIFT.
Hamilton had the same nose, explain that.
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stunning car, well balanced

astracrazy
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Joie de vivre wrote:stunning car, well balanced
?

button might disagree

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Gridlock
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I think (probably wrong) there's 144 allowed telemetry channels, so take your pic what flashed red.

In any event, off topic.
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Few interesting shots

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bhall
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Why was Hamilton sent out to qualify with a wheel slip sensor still attached?

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techF1LES wrote:
Mr.G wrote:
GrizzleBoy wrote:Anyone else notice that the limiter on the McLaren sounded really weird?

Like it would hit the limiter, back off a little, hit again, back off a little and keep doing it till the braking zone.

Usually it's just straight noise till the end of the straight when cars hit the limiter but it was fluxuating on both McLarens.
Yes, I notice that too, it was in the final lap replay. But I don't know what it should be if a feature or bug.

I didn't notice that, but after reading Grizzle's brief description I'd say it was caused by bumpy pit straight...
I didn't hear any othr cars doing it and it was a very smooth process.

Wasn't jerky like the bouncing revs you get going over a kerb or spinning up the rears for a fraction of a secong.

It was like a slow whine.

"RRREEEEEHHHhhrrrrrrrrrRRRREEEEEEHHHrrrrrrrrrrrEEEEEEEEEHHHhhrrrr" etc etc

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Speaking of Jerky, I could see the car was sprung very stiff.
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