Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[Richard]

There's no need for name-calling.

Indeed.

Constructive posts please. Take the fanboy rants to other forums, or even better I suggest some members kick a lump of concrete with your bare toes. If that doesn't work then repeat continually until the physical pain blocks your hysteria.

Thread locked for the duration of the race. Take your race comments to the race thread.

[Ganxxta]

Just for how long will he "understand" this?

Anyway, my bet that he isn't going go get more than 10 points out of 20 races is still on the go^^
At least something.

I'm sure you'll be back here to detract that statement, when he wins in Montreal. Won't you?

Well...

I'm speechless, Qualifying f'd up and DRS failure... again

[beelsebob]

Just for how long will he "understand" this?

Anyway, my bet that he isn't going go get more than 10 points out of 20 races is still on the go^^
At least something.

I'm sure you'll be back here to detract that statement, when he wins in Montreal. Won't you?

Well...

I'm speechless, Qualifying f'd up and DRS failure... again

I have to say, I feel very sorry for MS – until now, he was on a par with LH for most-screwed-by-team this season, but the poor guy just can't get a break.

[AosudiF1]

Everything has been said already I think.

Certain mistakes may have the "shadow" of being deliberate (we already discussed about it, whether Merc wants MSC to stay next year or not, whether they want a younger driver -Di Resta- or not), others not (DRS open definitely not).

At this point, I think MSC has all he needs to not run another season, and same goes to Merc keeping him.

I just hope we will be able to see a trouble-free weekend for the old man, and see his true potential. I truly think he can be great, even at this age.

[marcush.]

Now they face the reality of weak preparation hurting their results. Not that it was not present the years before -it was always mentioned -but it did not matter then .But now it does ,as everytime they drop the ball it is one win less they can bag effectively.
To me the raceteam is not Championship worthy with their attitude.It was a definitive NOGO to have ANY incident with Schumacher teamrelated for the rest of this season ...and they failed at the first opportunity ,which is a remarkable achievement in its own right. Maybe one more unfixed wheel tomorrow ? or a little bit of DRS malfunction anyone ? My money is on a random bit failing for the first time in the team history ...which was exclusively fitted only to Michaels car after FP3..

How I hate to be spoton with this...

Mercedes are far away from being a championship contender unfortunatelly.You need to nail it and mistakes cannot be allowed to be repeated .
Mercedes is lucky in this season is rather unpredictable with teams popping up into the sun and disappearing the next weekend but by the lloks of things it´s not 4th this year but fifth as Lotus is doing a lot better on average -and this is not Schumachers fault at all.
Worst of all ,tomorrow it can be Rosberg who is affected with the same trouble and this would be 7(!)races with incidents and just 2 more points for MGP....as nobody has a clue why those things happen to Michael...they are completely at sea with their programme and it will backfire big time on Brawn if we will see another bizarre weekend for Michael, rest assured.Running into technical trouble with this team is even worse than being not at the sharp end -remember Mercedes is advertising with the slogan:"the best or nothing"......

[Raptor22]

What possible reason does Mercedes have for favoring Rosberg over Schumacher?

EDIT: There's no need for name-calling.

can't have the old guy showing the youngsters the way around so have to find a way to limit him. CAn't have F1 looking too easy now can we? thats bad for business

[bhall]

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense at all. There's no reason in the world for an iconic German marque to hamper an iconic German driver.

Mercedes has everything to gain if Schumacher is successful with the team. In fact, they're probably desperate for such success.

Sadly, Mercedes AMG Petronas is just a really bad F1 team right now.

EDIT: Maybe they're just trying too hard. That can easily be as problematic as not trying hard enough.

[Raptor22]

Now they face the reality of weak preparation hurting their results. Not that it was not present the years before -it was always mentioned -but it did not matter then .But now it does ,as everytime they drop the ball it is one win less they can bag effectively.
To me the raceteam is not Championship worthy with their attitude.It was a definitive NOGO to have ANY incident with Schumacher teamrelated for the rest of this season ...and they failed at the first opportunity ,which is a remarkable achievement in its own right. Maybe one more unfixed wheel tomorrow ? or a little bit of DRS malfunction anyone ? My money is on a random bit failing for the first time in the team history ...which was exclusively fitted only to Michaels car after FP3..

How I hate to be spoton with this...

Mercedes are far away from being a championship contender unfortunatelly.You need to nail it and mistakes cannot be allowed to be repeated .
Mercedes is lucky in this season is rather unpredictable with teams popping up into the sun and disappearing the next weekend but by the lloks of things it´s not 4th this year but fifth as Lotus is doing a lot better on average -and this is not Schumachers fault at all.
Worst of all ,tomorrow it can be Rosberg who is affected with the same trouble and this would be 7(!)races with incidents and just 2 more points for MGP....as nobody has a clue why those things happen to Michael...they are completely at sea with their programme and it will backfire big time on Brawn if we will see another bizarre weekend for Michael, rest assured.Running into technical trouble with this team is even worse than being not at the sharp end -remember Mercedes is advertising with the slogan:"the best or nothing"......

yip. The best or nothing. Yet they are the only team capable of snatching defeat from the yaws of victory.
It appears they on;y have o e team capable of engineering a reliable car. That team works on Rosberg's car and there apears to be no alternating that team to Schumacher over the last three years. Clearly the deck has been stacked against Schumacher from day 1.
I Dearly hope Schumacher moves to Ferrari for a year, shows us his old self, gives Merc the middle finger and then retires again

[Raptor22]

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense at all. There's no reason in the world for an iconic German marque to hamper an iconic German driver.

Mercedes has everything to gain if Schumacher is successful with the team. In fact, they're probably desperate for such success.

Sadly, Mercedes AMG Petronas is just a really bad F1 team right now.

EDIT: Maybe they're just trying too hard. That can easily be as problematic as not trying hard enough.

Corporate culture does not give a hoot to sentiment. Mercedes Benz does not give a hoot about Schumacher or his reputation. His history is an asset they can bolster or destroy as they wish. For Mercedes, the prize is to be seen as a winning Mercedes thanks to Mercedes, and not thaks to Michael Schumacher. Destroying his reputation and building Rosberg's IS in their marketing interest

[Dragonfly]

I won't say anything because of my 55 years old fanboy glasses

[marcush.]

I don´t think this is on purpose .
Trying too hard is also impossible .either you know what yer doin or not.
It looks like some guys in the team lack a bit of empathy for the technical side and proceedures are not as closely defined or monitored as needed and there is room for things to go wrong .Simple as that .I ´d think the cars are prepared by different guys and those on Nicos car are a tad better than Michaels and that little bit seems to be crucial.
Looking at 4 guys trying to force back the flap with brute force speaks volumes about their knowledge of the system .One guy knew exactly were to look but realised instantly it was over ...

[bhall]

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense at all. There's no reason in the world for an iconic German marque to hamper an iconic German driver.

Mercedes has everything to gain if Schumacher is successful with the team. In fact, they're probably desperate for such success.

Sadly, Mercedes AMG Petronas is just a really bad F1 team right now.

EDIT: Maybe they're just trying too hard. That can easily be as problematic as not trying hard enough.

Corporate culture does not give a hoot to sentiment. Mercedes Benz does not give a hoot about Schumacher or his reputation. His history is an asset they can bolster or destroy as they wish. For Mercedes, the prize is to be seen as a winning Mercedes thanks to Mercedes, and not thaks to Michael Schumacher. Destroying his reputation and building Rosberg's IS in their marketing interest

I suppose I can see why someone might think that, but it's awfully misguided.

It's in Mercedes' best interest that Schumacher succeed with the team. In fact, it's paramount. Otherwise people might get the notion that the team is so inept, the company is so bad, that even the great Schumacher himself cannot will them to victory.

Corporate culture may not give a hoot to sentiment, but people sure do (see: this thread), and companies try to use that sentimentality to their advantage eight days a week. I can assure you that no company wants to be branded by the people as the one that tore down an icon.

[Raptor22]

There is more than enough arrogance in corporate culture to take great pride in the idea that it is MErcedes Benz winning not Michael Schumacher.
Frank Williams had the same attitude and look at where Williams is today. Mercedes are on the same path.

Marc, even if you think its not by design, incompetent people can be replaced but it appears that they are promoted to Schumacher's car.
It's VERY OBVIOUS that the incompetence found in the preparation of Schumacher's car is by design. Professional organisations don't employ people who commit acts of great embarrassment to their employer I.e. a big fat idiot trying to force a hydraulically actuated flap down after the mechanism is jammed. Most would have waited for the camera to focus somewhere else before attempting somethig so idiotic.

ROss Brawn should be fired. The Incompetence starts with him.

[Raptor22]

Just received a text from a chum in London:
"DO you think Aaryton would have thumped that mechanic for thinking the DRD failure was amusing?"

I replied: "He would have thumped and then given him a lecture. He sure would know how to fix a DRS thereafter."

F1 is just too soft. Heads have to start rolling. Does anyone know if Schumacher left the track before the race ended?

[bhall]

I can see there's no talking you off that ledge. Fine.

However, I will remind you that this is inherently the same team that's been awful throughout most of its existence, save for the very early days of Tyrell and half a year (2009) when it's now obvious they simply lucked upon a great package.

Tyrell/BAR/Honda/Brawn/Mercedes AMG = mediocrity.