Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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you need another engineer to track the mechanics? :lol:
jesus christ ...how far from it...

1.Measure: before each pitstop .the mechanics have to prove the torque applied by the airgun using a test device and you monitor the pressure during the airgun check to correlate to what is expected.

This will almost guarantee you will not encounter issues with wheel guns during hot stops.

2.you need a perfect guide system for the driver to slot in the wheelchange box with NO leeway for stopping short or offset.

3. the pit release is still a dodgy decision as you have to be decisive but there are quite a few close calls in terms of unsafe release ....Somehow the guy needs a optical help to decide let him go or hold back to avoid accident or penalty.

just a few thoughts on one of their fails of late..Still much room for improvement ..and most bits are not easy to erase during a race weekend..First you have to analyse than define improvement then implement them. ..

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Marcush, you where baying for blood. You wanted the team to act, this is them acting and you still need to blaspheme in their general direction?
I reckon they should employ you, then when they screw up we can chuck eggs at you.

Hows them apples?
More could have been done.
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:#-o

Marcush, you where baying for blood. You wanted the team to act, this is them acting and you still need to blaspheme in their general direction?
I reckon they should employ you, then when they screw up we can chuck eggs at you.

Hows them apples?
:lol:

I suppose if something still goes wrong with Schumacher's W03, the next thing to blame will be any third party making components.

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Well marcush, there's an ancient swedish saying, which goes something like this; "My farmhand also had a farmhand."
This can go on forever of course, why nobody is ever responsible of any wrong-doing?

But seriously, what was this guy really doing at Ferrari, just reporting to MrM perhaps?

O'boy, look at my shrinking number, somebody must be deducting my account, wonder who that might be? :lol:
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:#-o

Marcush, you where baying for blood. You wanted the team to act, this is them acting and you still need to blaspheme in their general direction?
I reckon they should employ you, then when they screw up we can chuck eggs at you.

Hows them apples?
Brawns words were:

We have our proceedures in place and have done ALL that´s possible as our level of workmanship is as good as anyones .
Now they come around the corner and implement an engineer to look over the shoulders of the mechanics...that´s what i read between the lines..
Ever worked in an environment of engineers and spannermen? The last thing the guys on the work level want or give a s..t
for is a fresh engineer telling them how to do things or looking on not really having a clue.
I´d think you could make use of some Alistair Caldwell or Nigel Stepney to have a broader look but honestly the guy is given a run for his money this weekend methinks.
Even in the minor LMP teams you will find them -seasoned race worriors who don´t need to be told what to do and how.
Maybe I misunderstand and then it´s time to apologise.
My idea would be to have some engineers survey the whole organisation and come up with new approaches to gain efficiency and lift the whole team to a new level-next year(s).

Or is Brawn really believing the is a Mole in Mercedes GP deliberately f..g up Michaels weekends? what were his words :I don´t believe in faith ...a strange statement.

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as for responsibilities

the head of it has to bear it -end of story.No excuses ,no explanations.The car does not make the distance and it has been confirmed that it was impossible to trace back all the happenings back to the drivers lack of talent ,reaction time or nationality ,chin or whatever.

To me two possible expalanations: Mole ..we got someone in there who needs to see Schumacher fail.Or the team is still a long way from mastering a championship campaign.Ross has dropped the ball.

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Marcush

You keep throwing them stones mate. End of the day, there has been action taken. If you don't approve then that really is your right.
But you haven't even given them a chance to perform yet in light of these actions.

If you THINK you can do better, apply at MercAMG, I'm sure your credentials would more than suffice given your god like ability to problem solve.
More could have been done.
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marcush. wrote:as for responsibilities

the head of it has to bear it -end of story.No excuses ,no explanations.The car does not make the distance and it has been confirmed that it was impossible to trace back all the happenings back to the drivers lack of talent ,reaction time or nationality ,chin or whatever.

To me two possible expalanations: Mole ..we got someone in there who needs to see Schumacher fail.Or the team is still a long way from mastering a championship campaign.Ross has dropped the ball.
I tend to agree... :cry:

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The problem with MGP/AMG is the lack of management, that's why we can read about these hilarious shots in the dark.

If the team was run by Ron Dennis, they would have a win every second weekend.
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Marcush

You keep throwing them stones mate. End of the day, there has been action taken. If you don't approve then that really is your right.
But you haven't even given them a chance to perform yet in light of these actions.

If you THINK you can do better, apply at MercAMG, I'm sure your credentials would more than suffice given your god like ability to problem solve.
Sounds to me like you're the one chucking stones. Why shouldn't Marcush critique the team? Thats sort of the purpose of the team threads. The Mclaren team thread reads like a text version of a lynch mob.
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Stuttgart will pull the plug.

Dealing with this idiot is like dealing with an African war lord. Mercedes are best out of it if this carries on.
I am afraid I am stealing someone's favorite phrase, but would you expand on that?
Reading words about pulling the plug, especially from you, leaves me puzzled.
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JET...I´m used to it really ..what we see in Mercedes is "state of the art " in development everywhere in Automotive.Difference is usually the lead times are more staggering and you are not trying to operate near the cutting edge of technology -you try to leave a lot of margin....the aim is to produce millions of parts ,systems to a certain -lowish -standard but NO part or system will fail in the field (or better said no failure/fault experienced by the customer that is).In formula 1 there is a completely different approach -no series production - very harsh environment ,short lifecycle ,safety margins taken to extremes...
People at MGP have committed to a high risk strategy - we have seen similar happening at RB not long ago -they have things going wrong -on both cars -only it is schumacher who is suffering in terms of dnf s and non scoring finishes at this time.
I´m not throwing stones at them .
They are the ones who tear down their own house these days.Mercedes can and will not allow MGP to represent a random failure product ...that is totally unacceptable to Zetsches view of the world.the best or nothing ..remember.You cannot come up with a car that´s breaking down every weekend when you are Mercedes.

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Just one thing to take note of:
Audi just finished the 24hour race of LeMans with all 4 Audis, without one single of these cars braking down. These are 24 hours, Mercedes can not even make more than 12 laps without the gearbox braking down. That shows how bad Mercedes actually is. There is no excuse for all these problems it is simply just embarrassing. We can not close our eyes to this reality no matter how much we are fan of the team.

Audi shows clean motorsport and real professionalism. When I have to buy a new car it will be an Audi and not a Mercedes and this is due to their unprofessional behaviour they show to the world.

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mep wrote:Just one thing to take note of:
Audi just finished the 24hour race of LeMans with all 4 Audis, without one single of these cars braking down. These are 24 hours, Mercedes can not even make more than 12 laps without the gearbox braking down. That shows how bad Mercedes actually is. There is no excuse for all these problems it is simply just embarrassing. We can not close our eyes to this reality no matter how much we are fan of the team.

Audi shows clean motorsport and real professionalism. When I have to buy a new car it will be an Audi and not a Mercedes and this is due to their unprofessional behaviour they show to the world.
sad as it is ...spot on .I have to admit the one thing i cannot believe how they fail to produce reliability ...as I emphasized before ...this little fact is just unbearable ...unthinkable for a guy like Zetsche it´s even worse than not being on pace in a ways.

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The luck doesn't exist in f1. These car failures are consecuence of failing the first test preseason