Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

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Viscount wrote:Hey, long time lurker here finally decided to join the site. Anyway, came across this pic and it looks like McLaren may be testing a stepped nose at Silverstone.

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PhillipM wrote:Looking at it carefully it could just be a reflection that, in fact I'm almost 100% certain it is as you can see the workshop lights further down.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just a reflection.

Think practically. If an F1 photographer returned to his editors with a photograph of an iconic team's complete mid-season shift in aerodynamic philosophy that was nonetheless taken at the absolute worst possible angle to display said shift, I think the editors would likely have a masonry bowel movement.

Then again, I could be wrong.

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It's definitely a reflection caused by the angle of the photo being shot looking down and the curvature of the nose. You can also see similar reflections on the wing flaps

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PhillipM wrote:Looking at it carefully it could just be a reflection that, in fact I'm almost 100% certain it is as you can see the workshop lights further down.
lol exactly, its a reflection

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they have a new frontwing where the two upper elements is divided into two, like most other teams has been running for some time, they then run the outer parts a lot more step, probably to have less angle on the inner elements for less influence on flow to the rear

you can easily see here

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gall ... ul/530.jpg

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f1rules wrote:they have a new frontwing where the two upper elements is divided into two, like most other teams has been running for some time, they then run the outer parts a lot more step, probably to have less angle on the inner elements for less influence on flow to the rear

you can easily see here

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gall ... ul/530.jpg
If by upper element you mean the cascade its been divided into 2 atleast since Montreal or even earlier, i cba to look further abck in the thread then that but it was divided into 2 back then so :D

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you don't pay very well attention do you, its off course not the cascade I'm talking about

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Bickering aside, the change that @f1rules is referring to is the vertical strake dividing the main wing elements into two sections each, with differing angles of attack between the inner and outer sections.

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myurr wrote:Bickering aside, the change that @f1rules is referring to is the vertical strake dividing the main wing elements into two sections each, with differing angles of attack between the inner and outer sections.
Aha :D And i said what i said cause ppl seem to call cascades dif things in each thread here on this forum, even i dont know why they are called cascades cause personally i would like to call them upper something :P

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great spot f1rules!

Interesting to see too, It seems a rather crude version of what the rest of the field is doing for a while now. The 2 flaps seem to be connected together on the strake, so a reduction of AoA would mean the AoA of the first flap would also reduce, which is seen there with the main plane being at lift or little AoA and the first flap being the same.

I really hope for next race they update the front wing once again, then for once with the endplateless design, McLaren is one of the few teams not incorporating the design in some way.
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
Is this really worth clogging the thread up with crap over? You've made your point that you don't believe him, leave it at that mate. No point in rambling on and on about it.
You're right, it's much better that the car threads are clogged with claims of insider knowledge that never materialise or miraculously change at the last minute based on what the teams actually bring to circuit.

Ciao.

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The pace on intermediates was as similar as Malaysian's one or slower.... They didn't develop anything.. It's so disappointing

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New rear brake ducts. Looks to be larger opening between duct and tyre.
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New diffuser:
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Old:
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Slightly modified exhaust exit as well with a slight hump like RBR did this race and possible less exit of the plume outwards.
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(I'm not too sure about the last one, the only direct comparison I can find is from Aus where it definitely has changed, if anyone has a similar angle from a recent race please post it)
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Judging from Silverston Qualifying the adjustable brake ducts obviously weren't enough to help heat the intermediate tyres.
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I'm surprised Macca hasn't used the curved diffuser roof like Ferrari and Red Bull. The curved channels should aid separation and probably increase DF. Maybe they can't get it working right, because surely they've investigated it.
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