Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[zyphro]

M only worried about the hot temperatures.This track will suit them, but the tyres...well

This is my concern.

If it rains, Merc should be very competitive. It is quite sad we're hoping for rain though . I hope someone is giving them all a kick up the backside behind the scenes, the way they've fallen behind in the development race is pathetic quite frankly. They need to bring a big update after the break, to help with the tyres.

[clipsy1H]

I don't expect much for Merc in the race @ Hungary. It is going be a disaster - we need rain else we can't expect much.

2 things.

First we have to see how the mapping law affects the team(s) that use aggressive mapping.
Mercedes have, for whatever reason, not been following this path.
Secondly, remember that Hungary is dubbed "Monaco without the walls". How did Mercedes fare at Monaco?
Pole position(stripped yes, but still the class of the field) and Rosberg hounded Webbers gearbox to the end.
I'm more optimistic for this race than any of the last 4 we have seen.

in quali sure Mercedes will be in top 6 with both car. difference between Monaco and Hungary is long DRS line. After 3-4 lap car lose pace with others so will be hard to maintain your position 10-16 laps per stint with DRS.
But maybe Mercedes bring something extraordinary

[Dragonfly]

Unless you believe in miracles ...

[marcush.]

Kobayashi and Perez head to head with Rosberg and Schumacher
Quite interesting comparison
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... 3&dr1=Nico Rosberg&dr2=Sergio Perez
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... 3&dr1=Nico Rosberg&dr2=Kamui Kobayashi

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... r1=Michael Schumacher&dr2=Kamui Kobayashi

Looking there you can see that only towards the end MGPs strategy is not panning out ..as they are not quick enough to compensate for the extra stop.
Schumacher tried to carry on too long on prime tyre when Kobayashi was already pushing with the softs in the last stint.
had he changed five laps earlier it may have been a lot closer-he lost over 4 seconds in the course of 4 to 5 laps and he may have had more of his primes pushing them right to the limit.

You can see Mercedes are generally good in pitstops also inlaps marvelous but as I mentioned times after times the strategy seems uninspired and lacking whit.
No it would not make them winners
But yes ,Schumacher would have challenged Perez and Koba for position and that would have been a feast.

The problem for Schumi was in quali: they wasted a set of mediums when they should've used the softs.

Also Schumi was saving fuel within his final stint.

For what reason would you stop for tyre when there is not enough fuel left to go for it???

[Morteza]

Hadn't they done crash tests again some time ago? I don't mean the ones for Monaco updates. Someone mentioned that on W03 forum a while ago.

[marcush.]

the headline says mercedes expects tough weekend ..but then none of the comments really reveal they expect to fare worse than in Germany or silverstone..
I don´t think w03 is bad in hot conditions and hungary seems to put empasis on braking and traction not really the weakness of the W03.
i´m moderately positive with Michael on full attack mode and hopefully Nico back on form ..I pray for INSPIRED strategy and not some weird decisions in Qualy.
I´d say so many well seasoned race engineers should have some idea how to drag the most of what they got at their disposal....be inventive.

[fiohaa]

I don't expect much for Merc in the race @ Hungary. It is going be a disaster - we need rain else we can't expect much.

2 things.

First we have to see how the mapping law affects the team(s) that use aggressive mapping.
Mercedes have, for whatever reason, not been following this path.
Secondly, remember that Hungary is dubbed "Monaco without the walls". How did Mercedes fare at Monaco?
Pole position(stripped yes, but still the class of the field) and Rosberg hounded Webbers gearbox to the end.
I'm more optimistic for this race than any of the last 4 we have seen.

Monaco isn't hard on tyres though, Hungary is isn't it?

[fiohaa]

the headline says mercedes expects tough weekend ..but then none of the comments really reveal they expect to fare worse than in Germany or silverstone..
I don´t think w03 is bad in hot conditions and hungary seems to put empasis on braking and traction not really the weakness of the W03.
.

germany was fairly hot, and the track is all about braking and traction - which is why michael thought mercedes would fair better in germany than silverstone......instead they were just as awful.

I dont see how hungary could possibly be any better for the car.

[raymondu999]

I don't expect much for Merc in the race @ Hungary. It is going be a disaster - we need rain else we can't expect much.

2 things.

First we have to see how the mapping law affects the team(s) that use aggressive mapping.
Mercedes have, for whatever reason, not been following this path.
Secondly, remember that Hungary is dubbed "Monaco without the walls". How did Mercedes fare at Monaco?
Pole position(stripped yes, but still the class of the field) and Rosberg hounded Webbers gearbox to the end.
I'm more optimistic for this race than any of the last 4 we have seen.

Monaco isn't hard on tyres though, Hungary is isn't it?

A different kind of hard. Monaco is high on wear but low on degradation, but because the Pirellis have so far been very wear-resistant, teams could still do a 1-stop. Hungary is high on degradation, and less so on wear - that has generally been what's eating the Pirellis this year.

[marcush.]

comparing germany to hungary one would expect to see constantly high temps opposed to the rain soaked practise we saw in germany.
My take on it is Mercedes cannot really cope with change ,too much temperature change.even if they had good speed at the end of the race it was not good enough to warrant an extra stop .to make up for the time lost in the pitlane.
So maybe (hopefully)with constant temps the degradation/wear can be kept in check .

[Roccotanski]

Marcush: What exactly is you gripe about qualifying strategy in Hockenheim (or other races if you are not referring to last week)?
May i also ask some of the armchair experts (cos that is all we are on here) what strategy you THINK they should have adopted with MSc in Hockenheim?
I am just trying to get people think through these aspects from start to finish and not just fire off "why did they stop for a new soft with 13 laps to go" comments. Please people, indulge me, lets get this forum thinking of all aspects, from the team point of view. If we dont want to bother with the detail then we can just carry on making statements with no justification or substance, which is find, cos at the end of the day we are not the ones putting the tyres on the cars!

[Mestrades]

I don't think Hungaroring is a "Monaco without walls" I think that Hungaroring is a Mini Silverstone. If you see the circuit diagram you will awake that it have high speed corners/medium speed corners and two or three low speed corners. To compare Hungaroring with Monaco is an exaggeration.
That said, obviously, I think that W03 will not suit in this track. I predict a race like Silverstone or Hockenhaim where Mercedes will be fighthing with Saubers and Force Indias.
All of you have to stop relying on this team. In any year that they have been in F1 they have shown that they are able to update a car including the time of Brawn GP. To succed you have to be in maximum conditions all the year, not only at the start of the season.
My only hope was in Imola but watching how Lotus Renault is developing their DDRS duct I think even that we will not be the first team in this track.
Let's see, but how I said on the start of the season (you can read my posts), we will be fighting for the 6th or 7th place on the WCC at the end of to championship.

[raymondu999]

My only hope was in Imola

Dear God man - live in the present!

[Chrisaix]

I think michael made that 3rd pitstop because both the saubers were gaining ground pretty quickly like almost 2 seconds per lap so its inevitable they would pass michael in about 3-4 laps. And aside from that they were thinking if they pit michael on softs he could still regain the places lost fot the remaining of the laps knowing that that tyre degradation would be high like it was on valencia but that was not the case at hockenheim. I think brawn also stated that.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

The hungaroring was actually designed to mimick Monaco.
Factor in the near impossible overtaking opportunities, the bumpy nature, the narrow width and also the twisty sections, and you can see why it is dubbed "Monaco without walls".

It is also with Monaco in having the slowest average speed of any circuit on the calendar. Hockenheim it is not.