Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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marcush. wrote:I certainly have huge respect for anyone who feels competent to steer an undertaking of 400 + people.In formula 1 or motorsport generally you will be judged not for your money on the bank but the trophies in your company reception (ok the building did cost a few quid as well) but that´s really the difference to a "normal"company .The aim is to win and the money is just the fuel to do so .
Still you need to find the people who have the passion -but most of them will never ever stand on top of the rostrum no matter how many wins you will bag..
So refuse to call them complete fails it´s just there is a feeling of complacency surrounding Brawn it anything .On the other hand they called him the owl in his Benneton days ...maybe its just his looks that fool you there was no passion.
I agree Marcus.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think it is particularly easy to find wins floating about in F1. But if there was ever a season in which it might have been possible to nab more than 1, it definitely would have been 2012. Although I have a feeling we'll see more of this in 2013 too. Perhaps that could be the saving grace for MGP to field a W04 they might otherwise not do...? If this were still the V10-era, it would be interesting to see how things would have played out had Merc fielded a works team then. But I do recall a lot of blown motors somewhere in the last decade, so perhaps it's better Merc came along this decade.

I'm rambling anyhow.

Ross seemed to have a little more life behind his eyes in the Benetton and even Ferrari days.

Perhaps having Flavor Flav and Todt cracking the whip is what he needs...?

Flavor Flav as Team Principal, and RB as Technical Director? Maybe that would solve all of Merc's woes.

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yet one more king ? I ´m not sure about this.
Briatore is just too burned to even be considered...I somehow imagine a guy like Roger Penske or dareI say Peter Sauber to head Mercedes Efforts in Formula 1.(A few years back Mr.Neerpasch fitted the agenda quite well..)
Back on topic the name of michael Schumacher does appear..would he be a possibility? Integrity ,dedidcation ,passion for the sport ,a guy who can motivate people he never met and does not know... he might be better at this than he does realise...I think he need to get that itch out of the way first -to win again-as driver.

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marcush. wrote:I certainly have huge respect for anyone who feels competent to steer an undertaking of 400 + people.In formula 1 or motorsport generally you will be judged not for your money on the bank but the trophies in your company reception (ok the building did cost a few quid as well) but that´s really the difference to a "normal"company .The aim is to win and the money is just the fuel to do so .
Still you need to find the people who have the passion -but most of them will never ever stand on top of the rostrum no matter how many wins you will bag..
So refuse to call them complete fails it´s just there is a feeling of complacency surrounding Brawn it anything .On the other hand they called him the owl in his Benneton days ...maybe its just his looks that fool you there was no passion.
I agree, it is becoming far-fetched; mind you that's the summer break for you!

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Again, some posts were moved to the debating abyss that concerns the takeover of BrawnGP...
:arrow: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13178

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marcush. wrote: ...
Briatore is just too burned to even be considered...I somehow imagine a guy like Roger Penske or dareI say Peter Sauber to head Mercedes Efforts in Formula 1.(A few years back Mr.Neerpasch fitted the agenda quite well..)
Back on topic the name of michael Schumacher does appear..would he be a possibility? Integrity ,dedidcation ,passion for the sport ,a guy who can motivate people he never met and does not know... he might be better at this than he does realise...I think he need to get that itch out of the way first -to win again-as driver.
Naah, I remember Roger Penske's name surfacing as a replacement for Ron the Con in 1995-96 when things looked bad for McLaren-Mercedes, but that was a bit of a long-shot even back then, while MS would be more romantic than anything else.

If Flavor Flav is smoked, than perhaps David Richards would have an idea or two on how to go about things?
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Honestly speaking..David Richards - oh boy i admire him big time ...but don´t you think Zetsche has had enough of his share of deals with smart brits?
I have the feeling david would empty the pockets of DAI a LOT quicker than even Zetsche could fathom....I had the pleasure to see one of his quotations to a german customer a LOOOONG time ago ...for some Porsche 911 lightweight panels ...only old guys like us will remember how long ago Dave dealt with Porsche bits....remember he was rally codriver in his first career ....
unfortunatelly Tom walkinshaw is no longer with us ..he would have been the hairy legs counterpart of your line of thinking...

Seriously ,David Richards would fit the bill perfectly .I would hire him without a blink and not negotiate his salary .He is definetely worth the asking price.

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Now remember Major Tom, bless his soul, might actually have had the upper hand on Richie Rich when it comes to wheelings and dealings like the one you describe, don't you think marcush? A few swedes actually tried financial deals with the former.
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xpensive wrote:
marcush. wrote: ...
Briatore is just too burned to even be considered...I somehow imagine a guy like Roger Penske or dareI say Peter Sauber to head Mercedes Efforts in Formula 1.(A few years back Mr.Neerpasch fitted the agenda quite well..)
Back on topic the name of michael Schumacher does appear..would he be a possibility? Integrity ,dedidcation ,passion for the sport ,a guy who can motivate people he never met and does not know... he might be better at this than he does realise...I think he need to get that itch out of the way first -to win again-as driver.
Naah, I remember Roger Penske's name surfacing as a replacement for Ron the Con in 1995-96 when things looked bad for McLaren-Mercedes, but that was a bit of a long-shot even back then, while MS would be more romantic than anything else.

If Flavor Flav is smoked, than perhaps David Richards would have an idea or two on how to go about things?
I don't think Flavor Flav is smoked quite yet to be honest.

The man has accumulated more championships than Ron the Con since McLaren lost the Honda engines.

I could see Bernie insisting to Dr. Z that he takes on Flav as Principal as a favor...besides how could he be smoked since he's only been in exile since that whole sordid affair when a wall ran into Nelsinho...or was that the other way around?

Plenty of time to get some R&R on the shores of the Mediterranean to recover from his good name being tarnished.

I mean all of us do agree at least that someone with a spine needs to be running MGP at least.

It's so nice to be in agreement on things.

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Here's a question...

What do people think are the odds of seeing any update packages on the W03 at Spa?

Can the three kings and the messiah put aside creative differences long enough to give the W03 a piece needed to fill in the missing puzzle?

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SeijaKessen wrote: ...
What do people think are the odds of seeing any update packages on the W03 at Spa?
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High. As we have all learned from RB that the W03 inherently does not suit tracks involving neither speeds nor corners?
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The news will be :RB cannot attend due to illness and Norby will be missed as well ...Thank god (messiah that is) he has a soft spot for Michael (..well not quite an angel) and will let shine hissun ,better said will open the doors and drain the circuit for the best poart of the weekend and at least give him half a chance to bag a decent result after the humilations of hungary...

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xpensive wrote:
SeijaKessen wrote: ...
What do people think are the odds of seeing any update packages on the W03 at Spa?
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High. As we have all learned from RB that the W03 inherently does not suit tracks involving neither speeds nor corners?
I think that was Ross waving the white flag...or firing a warning shot at Stuttgart.

Perhaps the W04 will be designed to handle corners?

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marcush. wrote:The news will be :RB cannot attend due to illness and Norby will be missed as well ...Thank god (messiah that is) he has a soft spot for Michael (..well not quite an angel) and will let shine hissun ,better said will open the doors and drain the circuit for the best poart of the weekend and at least give him half a chance to bag a decent result after the humilations of hungary...
I just had a novel thought due to your mention of Michael.

Since the reliability of Michael's W03 has been somewhat questionable for most of the season...would it not be fitting if his clutch magically blows out on the way through Eau Rouge..?

Rain really is MGP's best chance to have a good race...Schumacher would do fine I have no doubt.

Who knows about Britney. I can't get quite a feel for him.

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he is the son of a former world champion who walked over Gerhard Bergers car in front of a red Traffic light in munich some years ago... :mrgreen:

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marcush. wrote:he is the son of a former world champion who walked over Gerhard Bergers car in front of a red Traffic light in munich some years ago... :mrgreen:
I've got a lot of respect for the old man. Always felt he quit too soon, and even he admitted as much.

Britney?

He's just too much in line with the whole Nelsinho school of looking pretty and not being good for much else.

But I'm getting off topic here.

Silly me. But Marcus, I have to say, I do find the thought of Dave Richards being quite good. How long do you think it would take him to turn around MGP were he given a shot?