2012 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa

[raymondu999]

I think it probably would've been a jump. The stewards have access to telemetry and can compare it against the startlight timing. Charlie Whiting also caught the jumped start when it happened, as he did in China 2010 for Fernando Alonso too.

[Lurk]

I also think it was a jump start when I saw it live, but now I'm not so sure and I'm not totally conviced by Pup's explanation. (I'm quiet exhausted so synchronize 2 shots with my head only is not really an easy task )

I wanted to make a comparative video with the 2 shots synchronized side by side, but I don't know what software use... I thought VirtualDub would do the job but it seems I was wrong.
Apparently Sky Sports did a simulation where Pastor head was already at his "starting line" (don't know how it's called - the marks where you put your front wing on the grid) when lights gone off


@sknguy: it is why I asked about a minimum reaction time

[Chuckjr]

Is it normal or any big deal for a driver to post technical information like this to the world? Is this sensitive "for team members only" information or, no big deal?

http://www.pitpass.com/47154-Hamilton-g ... fying-woes

[GrizzleBoy]

I also think it was a jump start when I saw it live, but now I'm not so sure and I'm not totally conviced by Pup's explanation. (I'm quiet exhausted so synchronize 2 shots with my head only is not really an easy task )

I wanted to make a comparative video with the 2 shots synchronized side by side, but I don't know what software use... I thought VirtualDub would do the job but it seems I was wrong.
Apparently Sky Sports did a simulation where Pastor head was already at his "starting line" (don't know how it's called - the marks where you put your front wing on the grid) when lights gone off


@sknguy: it is why I asked about a minimum reaction time

Yeah Sky used their driver position tracker and showed that at the time of extinguished reds, Pastor was already halfway across his starting line.

The shot of Charlie whiting standing there shaking his head at Maldonado as he drives past is all that really needs to be said to be honest lol.

Is it normal or any big deal for a driver to post technical information like this to the world? Is this sensitive "for team members only" information or, no big deal?

http://www.pitpass.com/47154-Hamilton-g ... fying-woes

I don't think a pro iRacing team (its a popular multiplayer racing sim) would even give out their telemetry, let alone a top tier Formula 1 team.

Really depends if there's anything another team could learn that they wouldn't already know just by watching an onboard. I'm not sure there is, but its still a bad move on his part.

[Lurk]

Shame, I found it kinda cool from him. There is nothing to learn from the curves for the other team. But number at the left maybe...
Except it their data has to be converted one way or another. I know GP2 teams did (and surely still does) that about tyres info they gave to Bridgestone

[marcush.]

talking about gp teams paranoia:
PreRace Rosberg was interviewed and after stating he did not see big chance to score points today the presenter asked about his tyre choice for the start and he declined to answer...what a moron...he was 23 rd and nobody would care a s..t in the grid what tyre he´d use as he was not going to feature anyways and he would not be prepared to give that away to the audience..... very important secret...

[RB7ate9]

Possibly. But I disagree that the first corner incident benefitted them as such - post-T1, Vettel was lower than his grid position, albeit with some of those being numpties such as Kovalainen (not slighting on Kovalainen - slighting on his car!)

I didn't see how far down Vettel was after the first corner, but I did see Webber jump from 12th to something like 8th or so. In a roundabout way, the T1 incident helped if it was only the likes of Caterham that was in the way. Looking forward to a dry weekend in Monza after losing the potential of a wet race at Spa.

Sidenote: Good on Kov for getting the Caterham in 10th for a short amount of time, even if it was due, in part, to an act of Gro.

[Lurk]

Aaaah... strategy. I nearly missed the days were Briatore was here. He always gave to french TV strategies of all drivers (except his drivers of course) with a one lap accuracy.

[FrukostScones]

Also hasn't Grosjean been involved in 7 first lap incidents? If so, the decision is wholly justified.

It's been 6 incidents (not 7), of which only 3 were clearly his fault.
Doesn't excuse him, but no need for poor reporting.

Australia: hit by Maldonado (not RG's fault)
Malaysia: hit Schumacher (RG's fault)
Spain: come-together with Perez (race incident)
Monaco: similair start-crash, hit Schumacher (RG's fault)
Britain: diResta clips Grosjean's win (not RG's fault)
Belgium: caused start-crash (RG's fault)

Well, you forgot Grosjeans Germany's first lap!

[skgoa]

Somehow "only" isn't really the word that comes to my mind when I see that list.

[Chuckjr]

It's such a shame T1 happened today. Would've been great to see Alonsos race pace at full tilt.

[zeph]

Glad to see Alonso is ok, and Grosjean's ban is a good thing. 7 starting incidents in 12 races? In any other profession that means fired.

Maldonado can be a hothead, but I can't say I've seen him do stuff that warranted a ban.

[RB7ate9]

It's such a shame T1 happened today. Would've been great to see Alonsos race pace at full tilt.

Perhaps even more than Alonso or Ham or Gro in the race, it would've been a real nail-biter to see Koby up there. He's a scrapper and it would've been nice to see if he could balance the grit with the smarts to bring home maximum points. Same with Perez. I've been really hoping for more Sauber points and success since they are a good and likeable team. If anyone or any team has the most beef with Grosjean's actions today, it's Sauber. P2, P5 becomes no points.

[zyphro]

Also hasn't Grosjean been involved in 7 first lap incidents? If so, the decision is wholly justified.

It's been 6 incidents (not 7), of which only 3 were clearly his fault.
Doesn't excuse him, but no need for poor reporting.

Australia: hit by Maldonado (not RG's fault)
Malaysia: hit Schumacher (RG's fault)
Spain: come-together with Perez (race incident)
Monaco: similair start-crash, hit Schumacher (RG's fault)
Britain: diResta clips Grosjean's win (not RG's fault)
Belgium: caused start-crash (RG's fault)

Nope, it has been seven; Germany. Trouble on first laps, seems to follow him everywhere.

[RB7ate9]

Glad to see Alonso is ok, and Grosjean's ban is a good thing. 7 starting incidents in 12 races? In any other profession that means fired.

Maldonado can be a hothead, but I can't say I've seen him do stuff that warranted a ban.

Agree, perhaps Mal will get a ban later as he continues to accrue penalties for causing collisions.

Grosjean put himself in that situation interlocking with Hamilton (Hamilton couldn't speed, brake, or even turn out as he barely had room inside of the damp grass). Grosjean wanted to push Hamilton out, but didn't pull back onto track to clear his car. The entire situation was due to Grosjean going in too hot in a crowded turn. Unsafe.

Not that I want to see anything like this happen again, but I hope that should something like this happen again where one person clearly and singularly causes a massive collision in a very obvious crowded environment of his own actions, a similarly heavy penalty is put down.

Contrasts: Grosjean slicing across, pushing Hamilton, interlocking, and causing the incident vs. Liuzzi's slide along the grass in Monza 2011 that took out Petrov and Rosberg.