Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[Adamski]

That is how far the significance of the Double diffuser were lasted.

Now they are taking back their original place on the grid. Maybe in Brasil we will hope Caterham drivers won't overtake Michael.

[snoop1050]

It is actually interesting how they drop compared to the other teams at this stage of the season. The teams which are overtaking them now focus already on next year’s car.

arent next years cars evolutions of this years car?

certainly not looking good at all. they have a bigger gap than ever to close next season and nothing suggests its going to happen just keeping the current order is going to be a struggle

[Raptor22]

happens every year. After the summer break Reynard/Bar/Honda/Mercedes back pedals to the rear of the finishing order.

Whats orrying is they're relying on Lewis 4tenths of an imperial second to rescue them.

[SSS]

The funny thing is even Marussia is only 2s off RBR & Carteham is only 3s off RBR. Looks like Marussia and Carteham have out-developed Mercedes.


If Mercedes did not have DDRS they wouldnt have made Q3 in any of the last few races.

They are about 1.2-1.3s off the pace in Qualy & around 1.7-1.7 off the pace in the race. Same recurring Story.

The Coanda has been a Total Failure. Not only has it added little Downforce but also has added drag taking away Mercedes' Superior Top Speed. Shame really.

I wonder what would happen if Mercedes did not have MERCEDES ENGINE,GEARBOX,KERS,DDRS & all that money & resources. Even Marussia is within 2s off them with little resources,no KERS,that crap Cosworth engine,no fancy DDRS & so on.

The engineers & Management at Mercedes are just wasting resources. They won World Class Resources??? We dont have 900 people like Red Bull or 60% Wind Tunnel. Well neither do Toro Rosso or Force India who dont have 50% of your resources and cant even pay Good Salaries to their staff or driver. The Mercedes guys and Brawn the con wants World Class Infrastructure but will still give Pathetic Results.

How on earth is the Mercedes board still tolerating Brawn??

[rich1701]

Mercedes have had a terrible reliability record this year and demonstrated complete ineptitude in the development race. Ross Brawn might be a better technical director than a team boss. He is an engineer, he isn't a man who can whip people into shape, he doesn't have an iron fist and perhaps he should consider taking a far more disciplined approach towards his colleagues.

Brawn is a share holder and former team owner. This and his reputation has probably distorted his relationship with the Mercedes board a bit. I don't think he is being held to account as much as he should and Mercedes top brass are just letting him get on with it, rather than being in his case.

At Ferrari Brawn was answerable to Todt who didn't suffer fools gladly, neither did Briatore at Benetton. I sense Brawn has a more relaxed approach running a team and that really needs to change.

[snoop1050]

The funny thing is even Marussia is only 2s off RBR & Carteham is only 3s off RBR. Looks like Marussia and Carteham have out-developed Mercedes.


If Mercedes did not have DDRS they wouldnt have made Q3 in any of the last few races.

They are about 1.2-1.3s off the pace in Qualy & around 1.7-1.7 off the pace in the race. Same recurring Story.

The Coanda has been a Total Failure. Not only has it added little Downforce but also has added drag taking away Mercedes' Superior Top Speed. Shame really.

I wonder what would happen if Mercedes did not have MERCEDES ENGINE,GEARBOX,KERS,DDRS & all that money & resources. Even Marussia is within 2s off them with little resources,no KERS,that crap Cosworth engine,no fancy DDRS & so on.

The engineers & Management at Mercedes are just wasting resources. They won World Class Resources??? We dont have 900 people like Red Bull or 60% Wind Tunnel. Well neither do Toro Rosso or Force India who dont have 50% of your resources and cant even pay Good Salaries to their staff or driver. The Mercedes guys and Brawn the con wants World Class Infrastructure but will still give Pathetic Results.

How on earth is the Mercedes board still tolerating Brawn??

good point in hrt had
KERS
renault/ferrari/merc engine and gearbox
they would be faster than mercedes and probably kinder on their tyres

Michael Schumacher: "There are some races where nothing comes together and which you simply have to move on from straight away. This was one of them. We didn't manage to get the tyres working properly over the race distance, which made for inconsistent lap times, and accounted for our step back in performance. So we will write this one off, look forward and hope that we will be able to get back on the front foot again in the upcoming races."

Nico Rosberg: "Unfortunately this has been the second poor weekend in a row for me, and it's very frustrating to be taken out twice in the first corners of the race. Kobayashi hit me from behind today and that was my race over. The one small positive to be taken from the weekend is our qualifying performance which was a small step forward. Now I'll look forward to India and hope for a bit more luck there."

[clipsy1H]

he should leave now ...... Michael is embarrassed by this team.... a lot of people hope for a great last 6 races of his career but what happens now is to much.
They can't even fight with Toro Rosso how on this earth Mercedes and Petronas continues to invest in this....

edit: Mercedes motorsport boss Norbert Haug meanwhile admittd it was important for the team to look into what had gone wrong at the Yeongam circuit.

“At no stage did Michael's car produce the grip we had anticipated. We need to quickly put this race behind us but not before a thorough analysis, with an understanding of why we got it wrong today.”

oh dear

BTW: why they didn't stop Michael if he has a gearbox problems? so now if they change his Gearbox get places penalty ?

[snoop1050]

its the same old crap every weekend..

theres always something they need to look at , understand or analyse and it never seems to yield an actual understanding.

haug and brawn are the biggest BS'ers on the grid

merc do crap everyone looks happy...

ferrari do crappy everyone looks like there heads are on the chopping block and they develop like a boss to be one of the best cars on the grid...

maybe the first thing to go should be this summer time holiday atmosphere mercedes seem to have and replace it with a real your under pressure and if you dont perform your no good to us.

[Vasconia]

This team is a complete disaster, their incompetence is absolute, 3 years withouth being capable of solving their problems with the tyres, they have ruined the comeback of Michael and forced him to retire, and even more, their last races will be a endless suffering.

Michael, and of course Nico, dont deserve this.

[SSS]

The funny thing is even Marussia is only 2s off RBR & Carteham is only 3s off RBR. Looks like Marussia and Carteham have out-developed Mercedes.


If Mercedes did not have DDRS they wouldnt have made Q3 in any of the last few races.

They are about 1.2-1.3s off the pace in Qualy & around 1.7-1.7 off the pace in the race. Same recurring Story.

The Coanda has been a Total Failure. Not only has it added little Downforce but also has added drag taking away Mercedes' Superior Top Speed. Shame really.

I wonder what would happen if Mercedes did not have MERCEDES ENGINE,GEARBOX,KERS,DDRS & all that money & resources. Even Marussia is within 2s off them with little resources,no KERS,that crap Cosworth engine,no fancy DDRS & so on.

The engineers & Management at Mercedes are just wasting resources. They won World Class Resources??? We dont have 900 people like Red Bull or 60% Wind Tunnel. Well neither do Toro Rosso or Force India who dont have 50% of your resources and cant even pay Good Salaries to their staff or driver. The Mercedes guys and Brawn the con wants World Class Infrastructure but will still give Pathetic Results.

How on earth is the Mercedes board still tolerating Brawn??

good point in hrt had
KERS
renault/ferrari/merc engine and gearbox
they would be faster than mercedes and probably kinder on their tyres

Michael Schumacher: "There are some races where nothing comes together and which you simply have to move on from straight away. This was one of them. We didn't manage to get the tyres working properly over the race distance, which made for inconsistent lap times, and accounted for our step back in performance. So we will write this one off, look forward and hope that we will be able to get back on the front foot again in the upcoming races."

Nico Rosberg: "Unfortunately this has been the second poor weekend in a row for me, and it's very frustrating to be taken out twice in the first corners of the race. Kobayashi hit me from behind today and that was my race over. The one small positive to be taken from the weekend is our qualifying performance which was a small step forward. Now I'll look forward to India and hope for a bit more luck there."

I was talking about Carteham & Marussia since I have no hope for HRT. Carteham are like 1.3-1.4s off Mercedes in Q1. Without DDRS its like 1s. If Carteham had Merc's resources they could have beaten them,

Marussia have what 30-40M budget like 80 odd people to Mercedes 580 & 0 Windtunnel, no Gearbox of their own nothing.


Yet they are like 2.3-2.4s off Mercedes out of which if you cut off the DDRS which is illegal next year & KERS which Marussia will have next year the advantage becomes like 1.5s. That with a Crap Cosworth down on like 40HP on Mercedes,low driveability,poor packaging, no proper gearbox, borrowing Williams' & Mclaren's old one's.

If Marussia had Mercedes engines, Gearbox & half of their infrastructure they would have beaten Mercedes.

If you consider RESOURCE TO RESULT RATIO - Mercedes are dead last.

Ironically this is similar to Honda days where they ate huge money and did nothing. And ironically Bob Bell was known as doing great things with limited resources now that has gone out of the window.

[Ganxxta]

Thank god I can laugh about this team next year without feeling sorry for the drivers

So, lets sum up:

-"This track will suit our car more than Suzuka..."
-like 4 months ago: "We are concentrating on understanding the tires,this will give us huge benefits..."
-"Our upgrades are working as expected..."

-"We have to figure out what went wrong this race..." After every race

[mep]

After the qualy Schumacher said that he did not really want to go out for another lap. I thought this is a very uncommon comment of Schumacher. It seems that he really lost interest in driving for that team any longer.

[marcush.]

Do we realise HRT has indeed reeled in on the front runners? Their pace deficit is more like 105 % in the race here in Korea compared to the 106 we sawe at the start of the season ....but if that´s the case you have to really question what is going on at MGPs.
Even when considering all teams are moving forward then we have to conclude MGP are really doing worse than anyone else in the development game ...including even HRT

I fail to see how they can go on like this without making complete idiots out of themselves in the coming 4 races.

[spadeflush]

Wow, what a race! Full marks to Michael for fighting till the end despite being out of points.

I have ran out of superlatives for this team. Their catastrophic downfall this year has the ingredients of an apocalyptic hollywood movie. I am sure its not just a case of others moving ahead in the development race. MGP are falling back as well. For a team giving up on upgrades for 4 months to concentrate on tyres, they have done a splendid job! =D> No wait, they had tyre issues today as well. Thats ridiculous. They just keep on getting worse.

For 2 years they gave up on the development of the W01 and W02 respectively to work on next year's car.And yet, as the seasons progressed and their understanding of the cars improved, the cars became faster,not with respect to competition obviously, without any significant updates. This year they literally stopped the development of a car which was fast out of the box to concentrate on tyre issues. The possible scenarios of what might have happened in these 4 months has already been discussed magnificently in this thread, so I wont go on rambling abt the same stuff. My point is, shouldn't they by now have a thorough understanding of the W03?

I think the major problem at MGP lies in the mindset of the think tank which is still hungover from the "Brawn GP" effect. Their philosophy seems to be on these lines : "We did it once, we can do it again." Magic Bullet. They look like they want to create a car at the start of the season which decimates the competition, like the BGP001. Who cares about in season development when we can amass a lot of points at the beginning of the year and just try to hold onto the lead till the end?
This scenario may sound farcical, but it does explain why the W02 and W03 development began very early on and once they knew they hadn't hit the bull's eye they stopped bothering about updates. Maybe work on the W04 has been going on in full swing all this time, only this time, they wont announce it, owing to the failures of the previous two years of doing the same.(EDIT: By no means do I think that the W04 will do any better than its predecessors)

Just my take on this epic failure from a different perspective.

[SeijaKessen]

Oh wow, everyone is finally figuring out after Korea this team is a complete fraud?

Don't worry, everyone can hold out hope that Newey will be sent down from the heavens in a season or two to save MGP from themselves.

If you guys want to blame anyone, start looking at Haug.

I'm amazed people think a fat slob journalist is capable being in the position he is in, and doing a good job. I assume he is blackmailing the Daimler board and DrZ since there's no reason why he should not have been fired by now. How many millions have been pissed away on this team since 2010?

They've had a single race victory during the Pirelli lottery early in the season when even Williams bagged a victory.

I'm incredulous that some people keep hanging on the word of the frauds running this team. There will be no magic bullet in 2013, nor will there be in 2014. Hamilton's signing was just another case of selling snake oil to the Daimler board. This operation needs to be shut down completely, and Merc as anything beyond an engine supplier needs to end. They aren't cut out for this sport. When the W04 is another unholy abomination capable of doing nothing as the Red Bulls, Ferraris, and McLarens all disappear off into the distance, I can't wait to see what excuses come out of Brackley for the next failure. I know they are dying of laughter in Ingolstad watching this team.