2013 Monaco Grand Prix

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GrizzleBoy
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jamsbong wrote:
GrizzleBoy wrote:
CHT wrote:Vettel did really fast lap towards the end 1.16.57sec. Where did that come from?
It came from actually driving the car, as opposed to reading the newspaper as you casually lap behind another car.
It came from driving the car at proper race speed, as opposed to driving to preserve tires.
Semantics :)

Feint
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AnthonyG wrote:
Maxion wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1CGb39Rlpg

Looking at this RAI was already turning left before PER had his nose next to Raikkonen. Clearly it was Perez's fault.
If you look at it frame by frame, you see Raikkonen increased his rate of turn when Perez came aside him.
Raikkonen should know better.

Perez didn't always drive clean, but this isn't his mistake imo.
It was clearly on Perez. He made a super aggressive moved and paid the price. The only option Kimi had was to completely blow his line and let Perez by with a pass that wasn't even close to have been made.

Kimi's options were to blow his line and lose position or to hold it and maybe have contact and lose position.

Perez's options were to back off and maintain position, or to cause a collision.

beelsebob
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Feint wrote:
AnthonyG wrote:
Maxion wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1CGb39Rlpg

Looking at this RAI was already turning left before PER had his nose next to Raikkonen. Clearly it was Perez's fault.
If you look at it frame by frame, you see Raikkonen increased his rate of turn when Perez came aside him.
Raikkonen should know better.

Perez didn't always drive clean, but this isn't his mistake imo.
It was clearly on Perez. He made a super aggressive moved and paid the price. The only option Kimi had was to completely blow his line and let Perez by with a pass that wasn't even close to have been made.

Kimi's options were to blow his line and lose position or to hold it and maybe have contact and lose position.

Perez's options were to back off and maintain position, or to cause a collision.
For me, it was clearly on Kimi. Kimi did not drive his normal line into the corner, instead, he cut across perez and forced him "off" the track.

Mika1
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Mika1 wrote:Mercedes will win this race. Tyre deg isn't that bad here.
: D Good job Nico.
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AnthonyG
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Feint wrote:
AnthonyG wrote:
Maxion wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1CGb39Rlpg

Looking at this RAI was already turning left before PER had his nose next to Raikkonen. Clearly it was Perez's fault.
If you look at it frame by frame, you see Raikkonen increased his rate of turn when Perez came aside him.
Raikkonen should know better.

Perez didn't always drive clean, but this isn't his mistake imo.
It was clearly on Perez. He made a super aggressive moved and paid the price. The only option Kimi had was to completely blow his line and let Perez by with a pass that wasn't even close to have been made.

Kimi's options were to blow his line and lose position or to hold it and maybe have contact and lose position.

Perez's options were to back off and maintain position, or to cause a collision.
Or Kimi could have stuck to the kerb and stay in front towards the Tabac.
The last thing he had to do was push Perez in the wall, certainly with a championship at stake.
Thank you really doesn't really describe enough what I feel. - Vettel

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AnthonyG
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Mika1 wrote:
Mika1 wrote:Mercedes will win this race. Tyre deg isn't that bad here.
: D Good job Nico.
Am I the only one who thinks "your tyres were 60%" was actually bluffing?
Thank you really doesn't really describe enough what I feel. - Vettel

Feint
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beelsebob wrote:For me, it was clearly on Kimi. Kimi did not drive his normal line into the corner, instead, he cut across perez and forced him "off" the track.
Perez was trying to stick his car somewhere that it wasn't going to fit. I would say it was a racing incident, but one instigated by Perez. I wouldn't say he should be sanctioned for anything based on that incident alone.

jamsbong
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http://youtu.be/P3HKJLTSROY?t=49s

Regarding the Kimi vs Perez,
Kimi was taking the racing line because Perez was too far away. see Button's onboard and compare it was where Perez is.
Perez was not on the racing line and did a kamikaze on Kimi.

Karma did came back on Perez. LOL

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komninosm wrote:
zeph wrote:I think Chilton should be penalized for his bout with Maldonado.

And how did the RBR's jump Hamilton under SC1?!?
My guess is this:
Let's say SC lap delta is 2 minutes. RBR pit just before it, Mercedes pit during it, it all balances out.
But Hamilton had to follow Rosberg AND lose 5 more seconds so he could come to the pitstop just as Rosberg was leaving. So he did a 2.05 lap. The 4cars were 1 second apart before SC, so that put Hamilton 3 seconds behind Webber (from 2 seconds ahead).
That's my explanation for it because Mercedes didn't protest any RBR speeding violation. I'm not saying they shouldn't be investigated, quite the contrary.
I think this incident is adequately investigate by sky sport and Lewis admits that it was his fault to hold up for long .

Anyone has the video of Kimi passing Hulk in the last laps ?

About Kimi - Perez incident it was definitely Perez fault he couldn't have turned in from that point because he locked up . Also Perez has a great sense of traction out of the corner before tunnel and he maximizes his speed .

Maxion
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Feint wrote:
AnthonyG wrote:
Maxion wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1CGb39Rlpg

Looking at this RAI was already turning left before PER had his nose next to Raikkonen. Clearly it was Perez's fault.
If you look at it frame by frame, you see Raikkonen increased his rate of turn when Perez came aside him.
Raikkonen should know better.

Perez didn't always drive clean, but this isn't his mistake imo.
It was clearly on Perez. He made a super aggressive moved and paid the price. The only option Kimi had was to completely blow his line and let Perez by with a pass that wasn't even close to have been made.

Kimi's options were to blow his line and lose position or to hold it and maybe have contact and lose position.

Perez's options were to back off and maintain position, or to cause a collision.
Completely agree.

If you're driving too quickly into a corner with your brakes locked and the only option you have for not causing a collison is that the guy in front will give you space you are doing it wrong and you should be punished.

komninosm
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rssh wrote:
komninosm wrote:
zeph wrote:I think Chilton should be penalized for his bout with Maldonado.

And how did the RBR's jump Hamilton under SC1?!?
My guess is this:
Let's say SC lap delta is 2 minutes. RBR pit just before it, Mercedes pit during it, it all balances out.
But Hamilton had to follow Rosberg AND lose 5 more seconds so he could come to the pitstop just as Rosberg was leaving. So he did a 2.05 lap. The 4cars were 1 second apart before SC, so that put Hamilton 3 seconds behind Webber (from 2 seconds ahead).
That's my explanation for it because Mercedes didn't protest any RBR speeding violation. I'm not saying they shouldn't be investigated, quite the contrary.
I think this incident is adequately investigate by sky sport and Lewis admits that it was his fault to hold up for long .

Anyone has the video of Kimi passing Hulk in the last laps ?

About Kimi - Perez incident it was definitely Perez fault he couldn't have turned in from that point because he locked up . Also Perez has a great sense of traction out of the corner before tunnel and he maximizes his speed .
Where did you hear Hamilton say that? What do you mean sky sport investigated it?

Also did anyone else think Briatore-Gate when Massa crashed right after Alonso pitted?

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The most objective person in the paddock, Marko Helmut is apparently already talking to the press, saying that Merc only won today because of the tests after Barcelona and that if they had the same opportunity they would be a sec per lap faster.

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turbof1
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Bomber_Pilot wrote:The most objective person in the paddock, Marko Helmut is apparently already talking to the press, that Merc only won today because of the tests after Barcelona and that if they had the same opportunity they would be a sec per lap faster.
What a genius. Nobody would believe that. Completely different tyres, completely different track.

They are making too much a fuss about it.
#AeroFrodo

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turbof1 wrote:
Bomber_Pilot wrote:The most objective person in the paddock, Marko Helmut is apparently already talking to the press, that Merc only won today because of the tests after Barcelona and that if they had the same opportunity they would be a sec per lap faster.
What a genius. Nobody would believe that. Completely different tyres, completely different track.

They are making too much a fuss about it.
They got 1000km of free testing of the current car with the current drivers. How is that not an unfair advantage? Anyone who is not a Merc/Lewis/Nico fan can see it.

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Ferraripilot
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Pirelli stated the testing had 90% to do with 2014 tires. And Pirelli asked other teams to participate too but only Mercedes did.