2013 Monaco Grand Prix

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Fresh rubber but a man on a mission and no-one was going to get in his way :) Amazing record of scoring points. He will be an asset at either Ferrari or Red Bull in 2014 :wink:

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Overdriving wrote:No, we know nothing. FIA said nothing so far on the matter. All we know is what Mercs and Pirelli are claiming, and they didn't sound or look very sure when they answered questions. FIA might have cleared the test, but the question is, did they give the explicit permission to run the current car? It boggles my mind if they did. There has been no official statement from FIA.
But there will be.
Well both Pirelli and Mercedes say that the FIA knew about the test, so I guess both could be lying... Also it wasn't a private event held in secret. The test was set up in front of the other teams whilst they were all packing up. If they were planning something they knew to be illegal then they wouldn't have done it like that.

If Pirelli have it written into their contract then why does it boggle your mind?

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Juzh wrote: They were surely aware they are running A car, but certainly not THIS year's car.
I would think it takes just one glance to see if it is the 2010 car or the W04 ?!
Are the procedings of this test known?
I.e. could Merc try what they wanted or did they have to configure the car in a certain way and then the Pirelli engineers defined the exact tests to be executed?
From my point of view this makes a big difference wrt to the level of advantage that Merc could draw from it.

Still I'm wondering what other way they could have gone to get a real test of an actual front running F1 car under controlled test conditions? (Besides being less secretive and perhaps allow one car from each manufacturer to execute such a test).
Testing with two year old cars is surely no good representation of what is actually being done to the tyres during the races with 2013 cars and could have contributed to the mess we are seeing at the moment.

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Holy s**t!

I would name this "How to smoke three cars in two laps around Monaco" by Kimi Räikkönen.
"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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myurr wrote:
Overdriving wrote:No, we know nothing. FIA said nothing so far on the matter. All we know is what Mercs and Pirelli are claiming, and they didn't sound or look very sure when they answered questions. FIA might have cleared the test, but the question is, did they give the explicit permission to run the current car? It boggles my mind if they did. There has been no official statement from FIA.
But there will be.
Well both Pirelli and Mercedes say that the FIA knew about the test, so I guess both could be lying... Also it wasn't a private event held in secret. The test was set up in front of the other teams whilst they were all packing up. If they were planning something they knew to be illegal then they wouldn't have done it like that.

If Pirelli have it written into their contract then why does it boggle your mind?
I asked this already before.If anyone can show me where it says in F1 regulations that you can run a 2013 car outside of grand Prix weekend, I'll admit Mercs and Pirelli have done nothing wrong. In-season testing is illegal. That's actually in the rules, you know. And I'll believe the rules over Pirelli and Mercs' claims. If the rules say you can't test in-season with your current car except for shooting pictures or straightline testing, that's it. No commercial agreement with Pirelli can overrule that. No exceptions.

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stefan_ wrote:
Holy s**t!

I would name this "How to smoke three cars in two laps around Monaco" by Kimi Räikkönen.
I've read that Botas have interview to some TV station that his team told him Raikkonen is leading the race and he saw blue flags everywhere, so he let him pass! :shock:
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Overdriving wrote:
myurr wrote:
Overdriving wrote:No, we know nothing. FIA said nothing so far on the matter. All we know is what Mercs and Pirelli are claiming, and they didn't sound or look very sure when they answered questions. FIA might have cleared the test, but the question is, did they give the explicit permission to run the current car? It boggles my mind if they did. There has been no official statement from FIA.
But there will be.
Well both Pirelli and Mercedes say that the FIA knew about the test, so I guess both could be lying... Also it wasn't a private event held in secret. The test was set up in front of the other teams whilst they were all packing up. If they were planning something they knew to be illegal then they wouldn't have done it like that.

If Pirelli have it written into their contract then why does it boggle your mind?
I asked this already before.If anyone can show me where it says in F1 regulations that you can run a 2013 car outside of grand Prix weekend, I'll admit Mercs and Pirelli have done nothing wrong. In-season testing is illegal. That's actually in the rules, you know. And I'll believe the rules over Pirelli and Mercs' claims. If the rules say you can't test in-season with your current car except for shooting pictures or straightline testing, that's it. No commercial agreement with Pirelli can overrule that. No exceptions.
Assuming they are in the wrong, what should be the punishment?
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Kimi: It is just... I don´t know. Maybe we should hit him in the face that he knows it. =D>

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGRF-ED8RGI[/youtube]

Transcript is in the video description (though not 100% accurate)
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stefan_ wrote: I feel bad for RIcciardo because he got Schumachered from behind by Grosjean.
If we have to be pedantic right at that spot of the track Ricciardo got Raikkonen'ed :) Ask Sutil
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henra wrote:
Juzh wrote: They were surely aware they are running A car, but certainly not THIS year's car.
I would think it takes just one glance to see if it is the 2010 car or the W04 ?!
How could they "glance" a car if no one was there bar mercedes and pirelli? They were testing from wednesday onwards and I guess most teams left by monday already, maybe tuesday.

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How the f... Grosjean gets 10 places grid penalty when Gutierrez got 5 and Chilton only drive-through? How was it even different than Webber-Kovalainen in Valencia? Or Hamilton Canada pitstop 2008 crash? Or Schumacher Barcelona 2012? I bet the same smart people that orchestrated super secret Mercedes test are responsible for it.

Then again they were fine with Perez in Monaco so there are no surprises when it comes to their sanity. He tried it, they said it was perfectly OK, so he tried it again. You can't blame him, he's not the one setting the rules, blame stewards. FIA and F1 are a joke.

The only bigger joke is Marko and his claims how much test helped Mercedes. Any possible gains for Mercedes are negligible compared to problems that Mosley era type of explanations can cause: this bullshit about safety regulations that override sporting regulations. So they can do anything they want, for example next time really help one team, as long as safety is somehow involved. That's just great. I would like to hear for once who made this decision, Todt will probably disappear and pretend he's got nothing to do with it. Of course this Monaco protest is a bit silly.

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Dragonfly wrote:If we have to be pedantic right at that spot of the track Ricciardo got Raikkonen'ed :) Ask Sutil
Well, no. Raikkonen lost control over a bump and hit Sutil. One of those things. Grosjean simply drove into the back of Rcciardo because he didn't think ahead about where to brake. Entirely different.

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Overdriving wrote:I asked this already before.If anyone can show me where it says in F1 regulations that you can run a 2013 car outside of grand Prix weekend, I'll admit Mercs and Pirelli have done nothing wrong. In-season testing is illegal. That's actually in the rules, you know. And I'll believe the rules over Pirelli and Mercs' claims. If the rules say you can't test in-season with your current car except for shooting pictures or straightline testing, that's it. No commercial agreement with Pirelli can overrule that. No exceptions.
If it were so clear cut why would Mercedes, who have in house lawyers and people specifically for interpreting the rules, believe it to be legal?

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stefan_ wrote:I would name this "How to smoke three cars in two laps around Monaco" by Kimi Räikkönen.
A crash course in how to overtake for Perez and Grosjean I think.

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myurr wrote:If it were so clear cut why would Mercedes, who have in house lawyers and people specifically for interpreting the rules, believe it to be legal?
They don't care. They needed that test to work out what the hell to do with their car. Looks like it worked.