2013 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos

[mx_tifoso]

Farewell to the 2013 season and Mark Webber! You'll be missed as a driver and a person, I truly got emotional while he was on the cool down lap and podium.

And even though I have not been active on the forum as much as before I am still here and following F1 (hanging on by a nail...).

[komninosm]

Farewell to the 2013 season and Mark Webber! You'll be missed as a driver and a person, I truly got emotional while he was on the cool down lap and podium.

And even though I have not been active on the forum as much as before I am still here and following F1 (hanging on by a nail...).

Yeah, Webber managed to fall and get up with a smile that was really hard to pull off.

PS: Boy did Massa whine a sh!tstorm, he just wouldn't shut up.

[AnthonyG]

I don't understand how RB can be so good for Vettel from an organizational point of view compared to Webber.
If it were Webber stuck in the pits, I'm quite sure they would have instructed Vettel to continue driving another lap. (and yes I know they were covering a SC)

Eh? Webber lost nothing by stacking behind Vettel and ultimately gained 6 seconds.

Eh?
I think he lost 5 seconds. If they'd send Webber round one more lap a soon as the noticed heavy problems for Vettel's stop, he'd be in front.

Knowing how long the problem would take solving, I still think leaving Webber out was better, it doesn't matter if he's second by 10 seconds or 20 (10 being the current situation, 20 being SC problem and having to race Alonso fierce), but it does matter that he lost a good chance at victory.

Mind you, I was just pointing out the bad decision made by RB as soon as Vettel ran into problems at the pits. His race engineer should have been ready to take advantage of the situation. I don't think they did it on purpose.

[foxmulder_ms]

Will miss Webber. I like the helmetless tour around

[mx_tifoso]

PS: Boy did Massa whine a sh!tstorm, he just wouldn't shut up.

Poor guy, it's his last race for Ferrari and he could have possibly earned those 5 points necessary for them to finish in 2nd place. And to finish off, it was his home race.

[SilverArrow10]

Hears to 22 races, 22 men, 22 cars, 11 teams, 3 engines, 5 world champions( all going to be in the fight at the last race hopefully), one annoyingly good German and the silver arrow that's going to hunt him down... hopefully. See you next year. 2014, going to be a thriller... hopefully [-o< haha

[Jonnycraig]

I don't understand how RB can be so good for Vettel from an organizational point of view compared to Webber.
If it were Webber stuck in the pits, I'm quite sure they would have instructed Vettel to continue driving another lap. (and yes I know they were covering a SC)

Eh? Webber lost nothing by stacking behind Vettel and ultimately gained 6 seconds.

Eh?
I think he lost 5 seconds. If they'd send Webber round one more lap a soon as the noticed heavy problems for Vettel's stop, he'd be in front.

Knowing how long the problem would take solving, I still think leaving Webber out was better, it doesn't matter if he's second by 10 seconds or 20 (10 being the current situation, 20 being SC problem and having to race Alonso fierce), but it does matter that he lost a good chance at victory.

Mind you, I was just pointing out the bad decision made by RB as soon as Vettel ran into problems at the pits. His race engineer should have been ready to take advantage of the situation. I don't think they did it on purpose.

Webber came in second, and left second. He easily drove away from Alonso again after the stop.

Both drivers were called in late because RB expected a safety car. Had it happened and Webber gone around he'd have been caught behind the SC and shuffled way down the field.

[Juzh]

I think where they gain the time is traction out of the corner and acceleration up the hill.

Vettel´s speed trap is 276km/h compared to Alonso´s 292km/h, Hamilton/Rosberg´s 285.

Yeah, such discrepancy is strange in itself, but this speed trap is not relevant i think in those conditions. The only one that is relevant is the start/finish straight where I believe everyone was on the limiter.

the speed trap is on the start finish straight. I think the most interesting thing is that top speed for Vettel is with DRS open.
It does look like they cranked up the front wing a lot during qualifying.

Which if it´s dry, might or might not benefit the Merc´s, or Rosberg in particular seeing as he´s the closest.

What did I tell you about conditions? RB were clearly fastest up the hill troughout the race and those speed trap figures were meaningless. Mercs ran twice the wing of RB, yet were sometimes up to 1s slower in the middle sector and another 3-4/10 up the hill.
Speed trap is positioned so far up the hill it's possible some drivers were braking before they got measured due to slippery track.

[SectorOne]

Bottas was trying the impossible. He would have run off the track as he was going to fast for where he was. He's clearly wrong. Lewis wouldnt expect anyone to be driving at that speed at that moment. There's just no way Bottas would have went round the corner.
He's ruined his own race due to taking an idiotic risk.

Agreed.

Any other driver would concede to the fact that you will only be given one car length. Not an inch more.
That´s what you have to expect if you are on the outside of a corner.

Bottas was getting squeezed but wanted an accident instead.

Obviously the stewards was a bit hot on the cake today. Drive throughs was given out like candy on a stick.

[i70q7m7ghw]

What did I tell you about conditions? RB were clearly fastest up the hill troughout the race and those speed trap figures were meaningless. Mercs ran twice the wing of RB, yet were sometimes up to 1s slower in the middle sector and another 3-4/10 up the hill.
Speed trap is positioned so far up the hill it's possible some drivers were braking before they got measured due to slippery track.

They wouldn't be braking, possible lifting, but nobody was braking up the hill.

[Arterius]

Bottas was trying the impossible. He would have run off the track as he was going to fast for where he was. He's clearly wrong. Lewis wouldnt expect anyone to be driving at that speed at that moment. There's just no way Bottas would have went round the corner.
He's ruined his own race due to taking an idiotic risk.

Agreed.

Any other driver would concede to the fact that you will only be given one car length. Not an inch more.
That´s what you have to expect if you are on the outside of a corner.

Bottas was getting squeezed but wanted an accident instead.

Obviously the stewards was a bit hot on the cake today. Drive throughs was given out like candy on a stick.

So if we translate your judgement of this incident to the Webber, Vettel one in Turkey a few years ago it was all Webbers fault as he should have conceded and Vettel did nothing wrong?

Bottas had every right to be where he was. Hamilton drifted into him and caused the collision and took a driver out of the race. The punishment was fully justified.

[stefan_]

It was clear as daylight that Hamilton turned into Bottas, lapped or not. You don't do that, it was a deserved penalty for Hamilton.

[FW17]

is there a video of RG engine blowup? the oil smoke over the Coanda ramp was so clear, sadly could not record it.

[stefan_]

is there a video of RG engine blowup? the oil smoke over the Coanda ramp was so clear, sadly could not record it.

Check out the Lotus E21 thread.

[Juzh]

What did I tell you about conditions? RB were clearly fastest up the hill troughout the race and those speed trap figures were meaningless. Mercs ran twice the wing of RB, yet were sometimes up to 1s slower in the middle sector and another 3-4/10 up the hill.
Speed trap is positioned so far up the hill it's possible some drivers were braking before they got measured due to slippery track.

They wouldn't be braking, possible lifting, but nobody was braking up the hill.

I expressed myself somewhat inaccurately, yes. Speed trap is positioned just before dry braking zone intro t1.