2014 Malaysian Grand Prix - Sepang

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Emerson.F wrote:Claire really dropped the ball today. That must have been humiliating for Massa. Bad call Claire, bad call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdH1idgxNtU
She is bullsh*** all the way, come on, nobody believes that at all. As you said REALLY dropped the ball.

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ACJJ619 wrote:Vettel was quicker than Hamilton in the speed trap. What will it take to put this "Mercedes are only winning cause of the engine" myth to bed?

Source: http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ap_V01.pdf

Hamilton had no DRS nor a slipstream..

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Jef Patat wrote:
Emerson.F wrote:Claire really dropped the ball today. That must have been humiliating for Massa. Bad call Claire, bad call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdH1idgxNtU
She is bullsh*** all the way, come on, nobody believes that at all. As you said REALLY dropped the ball.
Probably the fakest interview I'v ever seen.

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Whats interesting for me is that if the fuel usage graphics are true then the teams had a margin, some over 10%, so why weren't they pushing harder?
I understand Lewis not doing so, since he didnt need to, but if you finish the race with 8 to 10% fuel left, you haven't managed it properly..

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ACJJ619 wrote:Vettel was quicker than Hamilton in the speed trap. What will it take to put this "Mercedes are only winning cause of the engine" myth to bed?

Source: http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ap_V01.pdf
If Hamilton never used DRS (maybe from lapping, not sure) and if Vettel did, that might be the reason of the speed trap readings.

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ChrisM40 wrote:Whats interesting for me is that if the fuel usage graphics are true then the teams had a margin, some over 10%, so why weren't they pushing harder?
I understand Lewis not doing so, since he didnt need to, but if you finish the race with 8 to 10% fuel left, you haven't managed it properly..
It might have something to do with engine life.
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ChrisM40 wrote:Whats interesting for me is that if the fuel usage graphics are true then the teams had a margin, some over 10%, so why weren't they pushing harder?
I understand Lewis not doing so, since he didnt need to, but if you finish the race with 8 to 10% fuel left, you haven't managed it properly..
Which makes me suspious those % readings are not as exact as they'd like us to believe.

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Once again a brilliant performance by Mercedes. So far, this car lives up to its hype. But Red Bull is definitely getting closer. Still comfortably behind, but Newey's aero magic seems to be in play again. The only thing holding Red Bull back is their engine...we'll see how that develops over time.

Having said that, Mercedes obviously still have more performance untapped. The radio calls showed how early both Mercedes drivers dialed down their engine and ran in conservation mode.

As for Nico struggling: Toto said in a post race interview that he had grip problems, but that they didn't understand them yet. At first Nico suspected that his start was too aggressive and destroyed his tires, but the issues persisted with the other sets as well. Maybe he had just bad luck with his tires. Or I could imagine that the software on his electric motors just caused him to faster eat into his tires. Or maybe Lewis was simply much better on this day.

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Hamilton's gears are almost identical if not identical to those of Rosberg, checked while doing those graphs. I wouldn't discard the possibility that the difference was down to Rosberg having a more rain-biased setup today, though, although that would only make Hamiton's pole even more impressive.
Vettel's gears are very similar to Ricciardo's, also possibly identical.
Red bull is geared much, much shorter than Mercedes is. But it might not matter too much, honestly, considering the wide power band and how much gears overlap now that there are 8 of them.

--> Actual 2014 gearing

Edit: There is an error with Toro Rosso in the final graph.
TANSTAAFL

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Regarding the Massa incident. I'm on my phone without WiFi, so I can't watch the interview, however, my feeling was that it was always unrealistic for Bottas to catch Button with four laps to go. Particularly, if he was unable to pass Massa, how was he planning on passing Button?

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ACJJ619 wrote:Vettel was quicker than Hamilton in the speed trap. What will it take to put this "Mercedes are only winning cause of the engine" myth to bed?

Source: http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ap_V01.pdf
It won't put it to bed whatsoever. Look bro, if you took the time and effort to install f1 live timing app and keep an eye on S1 and S3 speed trap data, you would know that those numbers for top speed are meaningless. All merc PU equipped cars were 15 kmh+ on average faster than all renault PU cars, lap after lap after lap..
Hamilton never used drs or slipstream, whereas vettel with DRS and full slipstream from ric could only manage 307.
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ChrisM40 wrote:Whats interesting for me is that if the fuel usage graphics are true then the teams had a margin, some over 10%, so why weren't they pushing harder?
I understand Lewis not doing so, since he didnt need to, but if you finish the race with 8 to 10% fuel left, you haven't managed it properly..
They had 10% *of the limit* spare. That doesn't mean they had 10% of their fuel spare. They may well have run with only 92kg in the first place.

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beelsebob wrote:
ChrisM40 wrote:Whats interesting for me is that if the fuel usage graphics are true then the teams had a margin, some over 10%, so why weren't they pushing harder?
I understand Lewis not doing so, since he didnt need to, but if you finish the race with 8 to 10% fuel left, you haven't managed it properly..
They had 10% *of the limit* spare. That doesn't mean they had 10% of their fuel spare. They may well have run with only 92kg in the first place.
One has to wonder if the ability to run harder more often is worth more than running slightly lighter and having to lift and coast more. Im sure they run the maths, but we all know the maths doesn't always match real world situations.